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Zealot balancing

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Spr09
Abyssal Echoes
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#21 - 2014-03-19 12:47:14 UTC
I'm not seeing any reason to give it a drone bay. It does it's job perfectly if put into the right pilot's hands, no reason to give it a useless drone bay without any bonuses.
Especially since the zealot is a sniper fit ship in fleets, having either 1 sentry out won't do much, or having 5 small drones out won't get there in time once you alpha everything.
Meandering Milieu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-03-19 12:50:33 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Alundil wrote:
Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them.

except amarr is the DRONE race, we need more drones and missiles, lasers are too hard tor ebalance, people will be happier if we just swap everything into missiles, drones, and neuts.


Um wat...?

Gal is first drone race, best drone race. Master Drone Race Gallente reporting in. Pooper pained amarrian scrubs need to l2lazorz and stop stealing glorious freedom loving diverse egalitarian gallente drone technology.

Ok, sarcasm and jokes aside, why does every ship need a drone bay/bandwidth? There are plenty of ships without drone bays or with limited drone function. Seems like a balancing point and intentional.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#23 - 2014-03-19 13:33:41 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Alundil wrote:
Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them.

except amarr is the DRONE race, we need more drones and missiles, lasers are too hard tor ebalance, people will be happier if we just swap everything into missiles, drones, and neuts.

Nope - my Gallentean fellows are the drone users. Hell until the blaster rework that was all we had to lay claim to. But having flown in many a Zealot fleet, they don't need drones. It's not the role that they were intended to fill.

And as for others mentioning cap issues, yes. It can happen, and I don't intend for this to sound rude but, learn to manage cap better. This ship isn't meant to perma mwd while you place a weight on the F1 butan and approach the anchor. vOv

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-03-19 14:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Cardano Firesnake wrote:
Laser ships are so dependant of their capacitor that there is no way to fly them witout a Capacitor Booster.
I didn't know! And to think I've been flying Amarr laser ships for years now, blissfully unaware that in not having a capacitor booster I was doing something wrong!

Cardano Firesnake wrote:
If you have an armor repairer, a MWD, and Lasers, i don't see another choice than having a cap booster.
I made a Cyclone work with MWD and XL shield booster and without a cap booster, and that drained a lot more capacitor than your armor rep fit. Capacitor boosters are one of several ways to boost capacitor output.

Cardano Firesnake wrote:
In fact almost all fregates can tackle a Zealot. It is not really matter of good fit.
No Medium laser can track a frig orbiting it. As it doesn't have High utility, only 3 medium slots, and no drone it just cannot take distance to shoot.
Yeah but a Zealot can tank any frigate, even a Gold Magnate. Also, I'd take the cap booster off and fit a web instead. Bam! Frigate dead, if it gets close enough to shoot. Unless it's a Merlin, but a Zealot could probably chase one of those down.

I just don't see the problem with a cruiser that cannot ràpe frigates. I think the problem is more that most cruisers CAN ràpe virtually every frigate they come across. It's not fair for frigates. But ultimately you just shouldn't be flying a Zealot alone in dangerous space.

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Cardano Firesnake
Fire Bullet Inc
#25 - 2014-03-20 06:44:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Cardano Firesnake
Vesan Terakol wrote:
I want to comment on a point made above about a ship being not equally fit for solo and fleet ops. Well, maybe some sips are designed to work better in groups, not every hull should be good for all jobs, especially t2 hulls, that are supposed to be specialized. You might notice, that most t2 lack utility high slots - that being just one example.


Yes but all other HAC have drones though except the Eagle...
These ships are the less specialized T2 ships.

Perharps CCP should remove all the drones on these ships and really focus them on one specialized weapon system...
But it is probably too late for that now and the Ishtar would be a big problem...

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-03-20 07:14:42 UTC
Cardano Firesnake wrote:
But it is probably too late for that now and the Ishtar would be a big problem...
It's not too late. HACs haven't been hit with the tiericide stick yet.

I say remove drone bays on all assault and heavy assault ships other than the drone ones, with the exception of the Deimos which gets a small drone bay because it's Gallente.

The assault ships should all have 4.5 weapon slots (4 bonused weapons and one utility high with alternate hardpoint available), and heavy assault should have 5.5 weapon slots. Or maybe 5 and 6 isn't too much. I haven't done the math on em but I''m thinking they should have more total weapon space than comparable tech 1 ships but lacking the drone bay to make up for it. Probably also good if they have no auxiliary weapons.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#27 - 2014-03-20 07:22:34 UTC
HACs have been rebalanced already.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#28 - 2014-03-20 07:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lephia DeGrande
Alundil wrote:
Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them.


This!

Sure Amarr and Gallente are the "Drone Race" but why do have so many Caldari and Minmatar ships so many drones?

I think we should consider if some ships especialy Cruiser should only be able to use 3 drones at once, at the Moment all ships are like no drones or 5 small drones.

I really like my 3 salvager drones on my Maller btw. sure 5 would be cool but its a nice example how many drones we really need anyway.

Edit: And BTW. i also think reducing the average amount of drones from cruiser (ofc not drone boats) would benefit the whole gameplay.

Because it would buff Frigs even more and would give the task to kill them to dedicated drone boats, EWar ships and Destroyers/other Frigs!
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-03-20 08:34:07 UTC
Zealot is already VERY good.

It's intended role is fleet work. Either small gang or large fleets. In this role it is obscene. Huge tank. Excellent projection and good damage.

If you're looking for a good solo HAC (specifically active armour) I would suggest trying the Deimos. That thing is friggin' amazing in that role.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#30 - 2014-03-20 08:53:31 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Alundil wrote:
Why must every ship have drones? The zealot is fine without them.

except amarr is the DRONE race, we need more drones and missiles, lasers are too hard tor ebalance, people will be happier if we just swap everything into missiles, drones, and neuts.

which is ironic because everyone also complains that missiles and drones suck.

Eve players are a finnicky bunch


The suckiest of them all are lasers though...

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Reppyk
The Black Shell
#31 - 2014-03-27 19:50:57 UTC
Cardano Firesnake wrote:
Like the Stabber before him...

I think the Zealot deserve 25 m3 of drone bay and 25 of bandwith.
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Sintiar Loffwagea
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-03-27 21:03:36 UTC
i didn't try to say about Zealot but in my opinion . Amarr is Laser/Drone and live far than other race. and Many of Amarrian lack of drone bay and bandwidth (it's even less than Mimmi) . and Minmi have many type of ammunition that can change game in pvp if they know what resist enemy lack , and look at Amarrian and Gallette both two have stick on 2 damage type . and both use capacitor . and so Mimmi is the race that lack technology but it's have Drone capacity that Amarrian.
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