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Why do we hate miners so much?

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#101 - 2014-03-19 23:56:43 UTC
I dont hate miners at all. What?

Each to their own.

I'll still murder them though if I spot them at an anom in-system, same with anyone else. *shrug*

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Anslo
Scope Works
#102 - 2014-03-19 23:59:41 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
I dont hate miners at all. What?

Each to their own.

I'll still murder them though if I spot them at an anom in-system, same with anyone else. *shrug*

^

I mean if you're in nul or a wh...****'ll go down.

Also, if that mining ship pops a cyno or points like 2-3 people, you BLAP THAT MOTHER ******.

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Winchester Steele
#103 - 2014-03-20 00:03:50 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
According to some that's a totally justifiable response to the explosion of their internet spaceships, because if you do bad things in a game then you're a bad person IRL and deserve everything you get. I call them morons who can't separate reality from fantasy.



That is not what recent psychological studies are showing. An interesting recent report in Psychological Science indicated that role playing an evil (or good) character online effects real life behavior and that “People are prone to be unaware of the influence of their virtual representations on their behavioral responses.” Basically playing an evil character online does effect your responses in real life ... but you will be unaware of it and deny it and get upset if someone else points it out to you.





Citation needed. And not that utterly spurious article Jonah linked. 10 - 15 vetted scholarly articles that demonstrate a solid grasp of proper research methods would be a reasonable start to offer a small modicum of validity to your claim. As it stands now, your argument entirely lacks merit.

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Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2014-03-20 00:11:24 UTC
I hate the miners who have tears when you killed them for ruining their game.. >_>

They chose to risk mining in Null
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
#105 - 2014-03-20 00:14:12 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Arancar Australis wrote:
Helicity Boson wrote:
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
I don't hate miners. I sometimes mine but what I have noticed is miners who mine undefended. Are they just wanting to be blown up?


I've been pointing this out for years now. I've caused thousands and thousands (literally) of them to die to my Hulkageddon events. I've caused over a trillion and a half in damages to miners alone in this fashion.


...and they still sit AFK in a belt in an untanked mining barge

At this point I believe the answer to your question to be: "yes, yes they do."

To repost an image from Hulkageddon II: http://hulkageddon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/propaganda.jpg



Or maybe we just accept the risk of being blown up and accept it as being part of the game, you know, like when pvp'ers go out on a roam and accept they might just be blown up.


You would actually have to get blown up an awful lot to lose money.

I do not mine, doesn't pay enuf, but seems to me a venture pays for itself in an hour of mining, a barge in a couple. I assume even an exhumer will recoup its investment price in a night or two.


You are pretty much spot on with the time frame. My replacements due to being ganked or umm falling asleep at the helm Sad aren't much of a hit due to what i had made through mining.
Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2014-03-20 00:19:12 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
I do not mine, doesn't pay enuf, but seems to me a venture pays for itself in an hour of mining, a barge in a couple. I assume even an exhumer will recoup its investment price in a night or two.


I do enjoy flying in a Venture... gank a miner in it, make the ship cost back in 5min =D with a hold full of ore and not needing to have any mining skills =D
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#107 - 2014-03-20 00:22:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Arancar Australis wrote:
Or maybe we just accept the risk of being blown up and accept it as being part of the game, you know, like when pvp'ers go out on a roam and accept they might just be blown up.
Eve could do with more miners with your mindset, you don't tend to be the ones that constantly cry "it's so unfair" and incessantly demand that CCP change the game for them.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2014-03-20 00:24:10 UTC
Garandras wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
I do not mine, doesn't pay enuf, but seems to me a venture pays for itself in an hour of mining, a barge in a couple. I assume even an exhumer will recoup its investment price in a night or two.


I do enjoy flying in a Venture... gank a miner in it, make the ship cost back in 5min =D with a hold full of ore and not needing to have any mining skills =D


lol .. U kno a miasma would be a more successful way of ganking Ventures, bigger ore hold :P
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#109 - 2014-03-20 00:30:19 UTC
I don't hate miners. I don't hate their play style.
I normally leave them alone, but sometimes I get bored, and want to keep them on their toes.

I'm doing miners a favor by providing them with actual game content and human interaction.

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Oraac Ensor
#110 - 2014-03-20 00:34:48 UTC
Prince Sanguine wrote:
What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Easy. Stop buyimg ships. modules etc.

No market for stuff>>>no need to build stuff>>>no need for minerals>>>no need for ore>>>no need for miners, who would completely disappear from EVE.

Of course, EVE itself would disappear very shortly afterwards but, hey, who cares? Mission accomplished.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#111 - 2014-03-20 00:37:48 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Prince Sanguine wrote:
What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Easy. Stop buyimg ships. modules etc.

No market for stuff>>>no need to build stuff>>>no need for minerals>>>no need for ore>>>no need for miners, who would completely disappear from EVE.

Of course, EVE itself would disappear very shortly afterwards but, hey, who cares? Mission accomplished.


Rather than kill the game itself, we kill the miners. Which generates a need for more ship production on two fronts.

Hooray for turning the wheels of the economy!

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Oraac Ensor
#112 - 2014-03-20 00:50:23 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Actually, we could get all our ore from reprocessing.

Reprocessing what, exactly?

Things have to be built before you can reprocess them and nothing can be built without first mining the materials.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#113 - 2014-03-20 00:51:57 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
Actually, we could get all our ore from reprocessing.

Reprocessing what, exactly?

Things have to be built before you can reprocess them and nothing can be built without first mining the materials.


Meta drops are still a thing.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2014-03-20 00:52:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Winchester Steele wrote:

How is it out of context?? Considering that quote came from a discussion directly related to f#cking with miners, I think it is exactly in context. I thought it even more apropos because CCP Solomon used your exact turn of phrase (you know, the thing you said made us bad ppl IRL?) and indicated that it was a cornerstone of Eve gameplay.


Source?

Also, I would like to redact my statement essentially saying you folk were bad people IRL. It's a bit of an exaggeration to be honest. Tear farmers are asshats in game though not necessarily in real life.

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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
#115 - 2014-03-20 01:43:53 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Arancar Australis wrote:
Or maybe we just accept the risk of being blown up and accept it as being part of the game, you know, like when pvp'ers go out on a roam and accept they might just be blown up.
Eve could do with more miners with your mindset, you don't tend to be the ones that constantly cry "it's so unfair" and incessantly demand that CCP to change the game for them.



Exactly mate, i accept the consequences of playing this game and the only demands i make of CCP is to imporve this game for all playing styles so that we all continue to enjoy this game.
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2014-03-20 02:45:12 UTC
I don't mine full time but I do have a little group of mining alts that I multibox with when I am in the mood. I have to say though that the thought my little group could get suicide ganged and wiped out at any time is the only thing that makes it fun and somewhat tolerable. Every time a Catalyst pops up on dscan I get an adrenaline surge.

So while I think that anyone who hates on and preys on a group of fairly defenseless players is a bit pathetic I am kind of glad they exist.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#117 - 2014-03-20 02:52:02 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I can see the fun in ganking a miner once or twice. It's a game and blowing someone up for literally no reason is what games are about. If you find suicide ganking fun because you actually have fun doing it. Then by all means blow up miners to your hearts content!

Tears are honestly only fun to extract when it's someone who actually has it coming. The ****-talker in local, the guy who tried to scam you, the forum troll. But the miner? Why bother? Suicide ganking someone just to get an emotional reaction is where you cross the line from games to reality. That makes you a ****. If suicide ganking is fun because you ruin another person's day, then you are a pretty horrible person.


Personally, I view suicide ganking as a necessary evil. I tried peacefully enforcing the Code, but miners just ignored me. I tried bumping, but that just made them angry.

Suicide ganking is the only effective means I have found to enforce the Code.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#118 - 2014-03-20 02:56:31 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
Actually, we could get all our ore from reprocessing.

Reprocessing what, exactly?

Things have to be built before you can reprocess them and nothing can be built without first mining the materials.


1. Meta drops from npcs

2. Ships and modules purchased with LP.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#119 - 2014-03-20 03:01:36 UTC
People tend to think they're unique snowflakes completely seperate from everyone else and 10000% different from all other people on the planet.

So they think, OK well me being me, thebest, I'm going to gank a miner since I'm bored.

THey do it, and then the miner is like, "wtf bro you're a gay faygot for gankzing me".

Now, you on the other hand are like, "wtf bro I'm just playing the game! I'm allowed to gank you since we can do anything we want!"

Miner is like, "whatever faygot, you're just mad no one loved you as a child and probably have THE AIDS.

Now, the ganker is completely disconnected from the past of the miner. He has no clue what it is that's causing this guy to have such a negative emotional reaction. From his perspective, the miner MUST be crazy. He's seen the tip of the miner's iceberg and it has 3 heads frothing at the mouth with arctic vitriol.

The miner? Well, first off he's had a bad day. He wanted to go hang out with a chick he met and is interested in but she had other plans. Or he had a bad day at work because of something out of his control that he got shacked with the blame over. Who knows really. . . .

Maybe even that's like the 20th time some unique ganker 10000% different from everyone else, had the genius idea to establish his individuality through "ganking" dude the miner's encountered in the past month. It's no longer novel or interesting, and all it's doing is showcasing how inconsiderate others can be at large, while not necessarily correctly defining the assailants with his correct conclusion. To him at least.

First couple of times, LoL... yea that's cool I'm glad it exists. Few times after that, spend alot of time working out ways to avoid it. Few times after that ask others for advice, few times after that ask the guys why they do it, few times after that upon receiving answers such as "LoL ur mad", the adoption of "not caring" becomes the standard and when aggravated you emotionally resort to verbally lashing out at others because "why not".

They tell you "why not?" when you ask them why they gank you. . . . . So if we're going to play the "not care about others" game, the miner begins to ask "why not?" regarding his opportunity to insult you.

It's pretty basic cause and effect. Negativity breeds negativity.

But the root of the matter is, that miner spouting hate wouldn't have hate to spout if someone weren't preying upon his chosen way to play the game.

Is it justified, the way he acts? No. Understandable? Yes. Endorseable? No.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2014-03-20 03:02:07 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I can see the fun in ganking a miner once or twice. It's a game and blowing someone up for literally no reason is what games are about. If you find suicide ganking fun because you actually have fun doing it. Then by all means blow up miners to your hearts content!

Tears are honestly only fun to extract when it's someone who actually has it coming. The ****-talker in local, the guy who tried to scam you, the forum troll. But the miner? Why bother? Suicide ganking someone just to get an emotional reaction is where you cross the line from games to reality. That makes you a ****. If suicide ganking is fun because you ruin another person's day, then you are a pretty horrible person.


Personally, I view suicide ganking as a necessary evil. I tried peacefully enforcing the Code, but miners just ignored me. I tried bumping, but that just made them angry.

Suicide ganking is the only effective means I have found to enforce the Code.


I can't lie, those that really get into the whole "Code" and "Savior of Highsec" thing and get into the part are a really entertaining bunch. As are the people who have created their own factions to oppose you. That's the kind of stuff I love to see. People really getting into the game and forming their own personalities and stories within it.

But the people that just make an ass of themselves because they can? Not a fan of to be honest.

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