EVE General Discussion

Then start working on a new font tbh. Scaled back to 90% it looks OK'ish (though terrible in window tabs as shrinks beyond readability and all CAPITALS was much better there). But scaling the font back to 90% leaves the icons in the overview AND SPACE all distorted.
The final straw for me was looking at how many torps i had in my bomber only to see "1 132".
I mean guys, start with the OLD FONT and rectify the couple of issues that people (other than me) had with it rather than introducing possibly the ugliest font in any game for the last 2 decades. Thanks.



On a different note, the nice anti-aliased map in system view looks absolutely ******* horrific.

That doesn't help the problem. Look at my UI for example:
http://i.imgur.com/M8T1N.jpg

* The rightclick menu in space is too small
* The name of players, locations and distances/velocity is too big, in overview, scanner and local
* Market and drone text is way too big
* The Route-text is MASSIVE and blocking a big chunk of the window
* tab-names (chatbox names, tabs in market, overview, scanner etc) is always small

I scaled down UI to 90% just so my overview could fit the colums I "must have". There's even two colums outside visibility that I regulary use there, I pull my overview further right when I need transversal + tag colums. With 90% UI there's a bunch of things that gets too small, like rightclick menu etc, while other things *still* are big, like scanner, market, overview, etc.

TL;DR you guys need to make sure texts are more consistent in size. If players like or dislike the font doesn't really matter at this point, since you have completely broke the game for everyone that utilizes the overview, scanner and/or market. It only really works for running missions right now. When you have sorted the wide/spacing font, and scaled the sizes to be more consistent, then we can discuss whether the new font is aesteticly correct or not.. but right now it's completely gamebreaking.

Until this gets fixed it'll be zero PvP, either in space or on market, for me/alts, and my corp members. We'll just have to focus on shooting NPC's for now.

I know you dont ever get bored of stating the same thing over and over again. The new font is not as good as the old one, even if the old one wasnt perfect it didnt break thinks like icons in space and on overview to be half-decent (90% scaled). Fact.

Your opinion that this isnt a fact isnt even remotely interesting, and the first 10 times you said it were enough.

So you tell me it's not a fact but an opinion and then you use your own opinion as a basis to say I'm wrong? The font looks looks out of place; it's too big, draws way too much attention to itself and stands out like a sore thumb.

Oh look, another case where CCP listened to all the whiners on the forums and changed something to what they wanted, only to discover "OH GEE GOLLY GEE, NOT EVERYBODY THAT PLAYS EVE IS A WHINER ON THE FORUMS." and most people were perfectly happy with what we had. But, now those people that were happy are on the forums whining about the change.

Nothing ever changes with you folks. Stay classy you bunch of manchildren :/

After my first post, I have to say that the new font makes me not want to play eve. It's such a turn away.

It make me dizzy, because it's hard to read and requires constant refocusing. What took a fraction of second to read before now takes a full second to just start reading. Reading is completely counter intuitive. Now takes into mind that each area of interface is at different font size, different scale and different spacing - making it seem like you're reading 10 different fonts - all of which suck.

Our mind can briefly glance at something with normal fonts and get the message, with new font I don't find it possible.

…it would have been the same horrid result, only at a different size. The problem with the old font was that it tried to reuse shapes for similarly-shaped glyphs, which is actually the exact opposite of what you want to do if you're aiming for good readability. It's one way of creating a mechanistic consistency and symmetry, but while “pretty”, neither of those are good things give you a good text flow.

What it does is generate the exact problems the old font had: glyphs that share the same basic form, with only a gap or a single hairline separating them become indistinguishable. The difference between an ‘8’ and a ‘B’ is that the left-hand side of the B is straight, whereas it is bubbly on the 8. A good font will enhance and accentuate these differences. The old font, by going for the “consistent form” style did the opposite and instead wiped those differences out. Same with 5 and S; 1, I, and l; 6 and G; O and 0; and then there was the very tiny difference between capitals and lower-case letters that added even more similar glyphs to the mix.
I will, seeing as how people keep arguing that it's worse. The problem with giving you the choice is that they most likely have to completely rewrite the windowing and UI element system to account for the different text flows and UI element positioning such an option will create. I would very much like them to do this as well, since that would potentially solve (as in “stop dead in its tracks”) the bloating of the assets window that happens with every patch, but when I see people argue that the old font had no readability issues, I quite honestly have to question their visual acuity…
Neither does the new one. Just as much fact.

Thats where you are wrong again. Scaling the font to 90% to make it look better and give me space back on my screen makes the icons for gates, stations, and everything else on the overview scale too. To repeat, scaling this font DISTORTS icons in space AND on overview. I spend 20 seconds trying to find some ammo i dropped in a can for my alt and practically couldnt see the can in space because it was small and faint.

The old fond didnt do that. Fact.

And this is what I am paying them to do. If they can't do it right, then they should not have done it at all.

The new font is terrible.

No. What you're describing is the UI scaling, not the font. The scaling affects more than just the font size. Your problem is that you're mixing the two up. What you're saying is not “fact”.
Neither does the new one. Fact.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
That's a pretty laughable strawman argument. Can you come up with a proper one instead?
The new font is functional, unlike the old one, and it was needed regardless of what other things they wanted to do with the UI. They are already doing exactly what you're telling them to do: not changing something until they can do it right — that's why we're not getting a selectable font at this time.