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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2014-03-14 03:40:56 UTC
I am aware there is actual friendship here to. I have several very good friends I've made in Eve. They would never betray me in a video game because that would ruin our friendship and they are actually my friends.

And yes, I agree with you, Eve both is and contains communities, many of which are outstanding.

The time spent in Eve is real, yes. As is the time you spend playing Team Fortress 2 or chess. You may be invested in your pieces. You may dislike it when you lose. When you lose, however, no limbs are lost, no lives are ruined, and nobody stops being able to pay their mortgage. Just like in chess or TF2, you acknowledge the game you sat down to play and in playing accept the consequences.

The consequences to high stakes poker *do* ruin lives on occasion, but people still play it, consciously aware of what they're getting into and consenting to play a very high stakes game very competitively.

People, but playing Eve, consent to playing a very low stakes game competitively.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
#62 - 2014-03-14 04:03:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephira Galamore
In Poker the goal is pretty clear, make the most money. Again, in Eve there is no such goal. Of course you could set yourself the goal "prevent others from making money" if you are into destructive goals.

I am also not condemning actions per se, I am all about motivations..
When I blow up other players I do it in the hope they at least got a thrill out of it, if not a good fight. The closer the fight, the more the shaking and the more fun!
Or, admittedly, sometimes I may do it for the nice killmails. Not for the tears, mind.
And then I do it to prevent intruders from triggering signatures.. and if, after the gank, I notice it's a newbie I pretty much always shoot some ISK that way. I don't want to make players mad, I want them to have fun while having fun myself.
I would consider ganking miners, if I was a miner and wanted to get rid of local competition.

In the end, if you can justify your actions morally, it's up to you. But knowing that a player would like to just mission a bit in peace and disrupting him just for the sake of messing with him, is not my thing. And it's not the goal of Eve either, it may be _your_ goal tho which you set for yourself.

Damn, reading what I just wrote again... maybe I am sitting a bit too high on my moral throne..
While I wouldn't purposefully mess with someone in HS like I wrote, I would more likely do so in nullsec.. I would _prefer_ a good fight, but if I would come upon a gank I'd go for it too..
My personal reasoning here is.. "it's lawless space, he had it coming".
Your reasoning for what you do is.. "it's space, he had it coming" (but, are corp chats, voice comms, ... part of "it's space"?)
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2014-03-14 04:37:57 UTC
The question of if voice comms etc. count as being within the game and the finer points of "it's space, he had it coming" are valid and interesting discussions, but given that this is my CSM thread I'll have to invite you to talk about it with me in C&P or privately.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
King of Warcraft
Doomheim
#64 - 2014-03-14 05:02:15 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
The question of if voice comms etc. count as being within the game and the finer points of "it's space, he had it coming" are valid and interesting discussions, but given that this is my CSM thread I'll have to invite you to talk about it with me in C&P or privately.


So to be clear, when you are publicly asked about what you consider to be the boundaries of the sandbox, your response is to not ask you those kinds of questions in your campaign thread?

It is not inconceivable that CCP would ask the CSM for feedback about potential EULA and ToS changes, so your beliefs/opinions on this matter are relevant to your campaign.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2014-03-14 05:05:21 UTC
No worries. I love these sorts of conversations, but I suppose I thought it would be boring to most. Ask away.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#66 - 2014-03-14 07:30:22 UTC
Lakotnik wrote:
Hm..

You create content. What about the people who have no interest in your "content creation" and are ussually on the receiving end of it and are thus robbed of their time in his game. Let's face it, most of us have families and jobs and our "online time" is ussually limited. What happens, when your "content creation" gets in the way of these hardworking people and they're worse off for it?

Do you consider it a worthy note, for them to be able to have a choice of participation in these "events" you create? Because if you're only creating events for yourself and those who think like you (however flawed that might be), don't you represent only a portion of the area you operate in and would thus, if chosen for a CSM, be giving further imbalance of the territory?


Don't hate the Player, baby, hate the Game. Lol


\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#67 - 2014-03-14 20:41:30 UTC
I have high hopes that you will make highsec a better place for everyone!!

Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk
Winchester Steele
#68 - 2014-03-19 22:55:59 UTC
As always Monk you will be #1 vote on all of my accounts.

Super glad to see you running again this year man, good luck to you.

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Winchester Steele
#69 - 2014-03-19 23:19:22 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Psychotic Monk wrote:
I believe that betrayal of trust and perceived friendship should be encouraged, yes. These things going on in game are no different than a poker player bluffing. That level of play can be rough, but Eve is a full contact sport for your mind, after all.

Sorry, you must have misunderstood me. I was talking about actual friendship. See, just because there are some kilometers between the people I communicate with, doesn't mean I don't value them and our relationship any less.
Maybe for you Eve is just a game, but for me - and many others - it's a community.

Psychotic Monk wrote:
As for hooligans in soccer, no I do not encourage criminality or violence in the real world. I do support the odd bit of violence in hockey in that it adds strategic depth to the game, but stop supporting it as soon as it starts cause more than minor injuries. In these cases, there are real consequences and lives could be ruined. In Eve, zero lives are ruined.

So, you and I are not real? The time I spend in Eve is not real time? The value I put on things in game is not real?
EVE is real. And that's not just a phrase. And if you want to work with CCP on the CSM you should be aware that they mean that, and you may want to watch Hilmars presentation...

And just to elaborate on where I stand.. I am part of Eve, I know the risks and if I trip somewhere, I'll take my lessons from that.
If I fall for a random scam, I wouldn't be mad at the scammer, at most I would be mad at me if it was too obvious and if not I would be curious what happened.
If someone ganks my ship, I'd either shrug it off cause it wasn't worth much or blame it on me for packing too shiny, or not paying attention.
If someone betrays my friendship, I wouldn't be mad or raging either, I'd simply be disappointed.



Eve isn't real. It's a game. This predisposition to conflate reality with fantasy is as bizarre as it is disturbing. One of the most attractive things about Monk's philosophy is his absolute rejection of the specious association between "the game" and "real life."

(This is more in reference to your strange inference that Monk supports RL life violence via hooliganism because he likes to engage in non consensual pvp in a video game)

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Don Purple
aWayWard Inc.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#70 - 2014-03-20 05:38:21 UTC
Monk has my vote as I feel he is the best representative for for the pirate community.

He nearly in bodies an aspect of this game that is highly advertised and is a core part of eve without almost any proper representation in the CSM or CCP. Come to eve, be in the big fights or be a pirate or whatever you want. If you are a high sec player and get involved in pirating or any aspect of the darker side this man has effected your game play and nearly led the field.

To any players that may feel what monk does is undesirable to your game play, please remember there is no one better than him to show you how to protect your members and pilots.

No matter if you like him or you hate him, you should respect him and he deserves a place on CSM9.

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
#71 - 2014-03-20 21:25:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephira Galamore
Winchester Steele wrote:
Eve isn't real. It's a game. This predisposition to conflate reality with fantasy is as bizarre as it is disturbing. One of the most attractive things about Monk's philosophy is his absolute rejection of the specious association between "the game" and "real life."

(This is more in reference to your strange inference that Monk supports RL life violence via hooliganism because he likes to engage in non consensual pvp in a video game)

Soccer is "just a game", too, right?

Examples, like my hooligan example, shouldn't be talken to literally obviously. Maybe a better example would be.. Someone letting the air out of all the soccer balls before the game starts. No one is physically harmed there.

(Would you be surprised if I told you Monk likely has a spot on my ballot?)
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#72 - 2014-03-20 21:43:34 UTC
What are your thoughts on White Knight mechanics? This would seem to be the other side of the same coin for anyone serious about highsec content creation. How can they be improved to encourage cooperative defensive play?

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2014-03-20 23:21:03 UTC
Sephira, if letting the air out of the balls was a legal move in a game that strongly featured letting the air out of the balls, I would be all for it.

Zappity, having been on the defense and having been successfully defended against in these situations, I feel that defenders have a great number of advantages in these situations. I don't think they need more of them in a generalized non-specific way, but I do feel like they should know more about them. Honestly, each of the major types of content creating gameplay has several very strong counters, the shortcoming is only in the knowledge or will of those that would apply them.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
#74 - 2014-03-21 02:56:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephira Galamore
Gah, I don't know why I'm even arguing..
I mean, we both know that we have somewhat different standpoints here - Eve means different things to us and yet we are enjoying the game.
And in a way I even appreciate the things you do - Malcanis made a great post somewhere which explains well how without the possibility of playing 'evil' or ruthless, playing good (or less evil) or compassionate has little meaning. But I also think that it shouldn't go further down that road as it already is. I have seen what that (combined with bots) does to a game community.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#75 - 2014-03-24 17:56:06 UTC
Psychotic Monk will be on ALL my ballots, probably at #1. More content in high sec is better for everyone. Better new bro content, and more easily accessible new bro money for replacing lost ships is good for Eve as a whole.

Psychotic Monk: I do have one question for you, in regards to your statement of making corporation membership more meaningful. I fully agree with you, it needs to happen. But do you have any ideas you would be willing to share here as to how that might be accomplished?

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#76 - 2014-03-24 22:13:15 UTC
This psychopath gets my vote.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#77 - 2014-03-24 22:18:29 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
I am aware there is actual friendship here to. I have several very good friends I've made in Eve. They would never betray me in a video game because that would ruin our friendship and they are actually my friends.

And yes, I agree with you, Eve both is and contains communities, many of which are outstanding.

The time spent in Eve is real, yes. As is the time you spend playing Team Fortress 2 or chess. You may be invested in your pieces. You may dislike it when you lose. When you lose, however, no limbs are lost, no lives are ruined, and nobody stops being able to pay their mortgage. Just like in chess or TF2, you acknowledge the game you sat down to play and in playing accept the consequences.

The consequences to high stakes poker *do* ruin lives on occasion, but people still play it, consciously aware of what they're getting into and consenting to play a very high stakes game very competitively.

People, but playing Eve, consent to playing a very low stakes game competitively.



I have a rule, Monk.

Never trust anyone in EVE unless you are sleeping with them in real life.

It means that even when I'm on an op with you, I'm always watching my back. I don't expect to find your knife there, but if you decide to do it sometime, I've already planned out what I will do before you get it there.

And to take the poker analogy further - although I only play small stakes, I'm much more ruthless at the poker table when I'm playing with close friends than I am when playing against people I don't know as well.


Playing like that makes EVE more fun.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#78 - 2014-03-24 23:27:04 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:

I have a rule, Monk.

Never trust anyone in EVE unless you are sleeping with them in real life.


Heck, I still have my wife's API, just in case...

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lanctharus Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2014-03-25 01:00:05 UTC
CSM9 Candidate Interview: Psychotic Monk
http://capstable.net/2014/03/11/csm9-candidate-interview-psychotic-monk

Executive Editor, CSM Watch || Writer, Co-host of the Cap Stable Podcast || Twitter: @Lanctharus
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-03-25 15:58:01 UTC
Monk will be at the top of my ballots any year he runs. He is a tremendous supporter of new players wishing to fulfill the "Be A Villain" advertisements CCP produces for Eve.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."