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Well I'm out

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2014-03-19 16:49:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Newbies joining a corp run by other newbies is, with few notable exceptions, a terrible idea, it's like the blind leading the blind. A newbie CEO generally has absolutely no idea what they're doing, or how to deal with people that do know what they're doing.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#22 - 2014-03-19 16:55:11 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Ignoring for the moment that you posted your goodbye post in EvE New Citizens Q&A - which is against the rules afaik - without even asking a question I'll take the time to post some remark since other new players might read your post and get a false impression of the game. Ugh

Yes, PvP is a large part of the game. And unless you are out there bringing PvP to others you'll often find PvP when it's being brought to you.

In such a situation, if you don't know what to do - especially as a new player - you can come here and ask for ideas. Cool

And actually there's a lot what you could have done. I assume you were in a corp operating in high-sec that was being wardecced by some other corp. Especially as a newbie corp you could simply dissolve your corp and reform. The wardec won't carry over and since declaring war costs isk it's not unlikely that the agressing party would look for easier prey.

Or you could wait and sit it out. A wardec takes a week unless prolonged. It's likely that the agressing party would look for other targets if you and corp mates are not available.

Or do the unthinkable and fight back. Shocked
Get your corp mates into cheap frigates (everyone can fly these after the tutorials) and try to bring the fight to them. Find a single target and blob him if you can. It's likely that you'll lose. But it's also likely that you'll have fun in the process, feel the adrenaline rush, get your blood pressure up.

You could have done all this and many other things.
Yet you choose to come here and whine.
You shouldn't be surprised when people tell you to HTFU.


You forgot - to add that they could have asked for help - make the war dec public and ask for allies. Lots of folk like piling on looking for targets.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Isara Shiraishi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-03-19 16:56:26 UTC
EVE Online is a game where you basically play as a phoenix. What I mean by that is that during your early, baby-steps in the game that will be potentially nourished by the helpfulness of many individuals, the ever so-benevolent hand of the EVE University, and perhaps the Industrial Sized Knowledge guide you will always lose, die and consecutively perhaps you will delete a bunch of characters and start over, and over again until you get it just right.

You are bound to fail, and you are bound to trust the wrong people, but you are bound to rise up again until you become a proficient capsuleer. If you give up then I will not call you names, or call you weak because EVE Online isn't a game for everyone. It's not a game that is about an easy reward, it's a game where the main challenges are people, other people, immortal such as yourself fighting in New Eden and in turn being phoenixes of their own.

So, OP, I hope you will just sleep over this, take a short break and come back to New Eden eventually, when you feel ready to rise once more.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#24 - 2014-03-19 17:37:16 UTC

Why would you post a goodbye thread in New Citizens, but didn't post a "can someone give me guidance with this wardec situation"?

And how much isk are you really out? If you had the right attitude, I'd bet you'd have received donations and offers of assistance that would have made the losses more than worth the experience.

Furthermore, if you are in a dust corp, are you then also in a FW corp? Perhaps that would explain the aggression you are experiencing.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#25 - 2014-03-19 19:52:51 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Furthermore, if you are in a dust corp, are you then also in a FW corp? Perhaps that would explain the aggression you are experiencing.
His troubles are with Marmite, they've lost a couple of destroyers and ventures, hardly crippling.

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Var D'ovoli
Kiwis In Space
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2014-03-19 20:02:20 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Why would you post a goodbye thread in New Citizens, but didn't post a "can someone give me guidance with this wardec situation"?

And how much isk are you really out? If you had the right attitude, I'd bet you'd have received donations and offers of assistance that would have made the losses more than worth the experience.

Furthermore, if you are in a dust corp, are you then also in a FW corp? Perhaps that would explain the aggression you are experiencing.


I have a feeling that he has already gone back to dust or probably WOW and telling everyone he runs into how horrible the EVE Folk are :P

One day he can tell his grand children a stoy around a campfire, about the time that he was mining some asteroids in space, and some very unsavory chaps came along and blew up his spaceship. He can then tell them about how lucky he was to not have been burned alive and if it hadn't been for his pod he wouldn't be there to tell the story.

His grand children will be very scared and excited and ask, "What happened next Grandpa?" He will have to say, "I quit, because I got mad."

The End...
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#27 - 2014-03-19 20:02:44 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Furthermore, if you are in a dust corp, are you then also in a FW corp? Perhaps that would explain the aggression you are experiencing.
His troubles are with Marmite, they've lost a couple of destroyers and ventures, hardly crippling.


Why would marmite wardec a noobcorp? I thought they wardecced large nullsec alliances to gank nullbears in highsec.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2014-03-19 20:18:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
You'd have to ask Tora to be sure, although given the OP I'd say somebody did something stupid and attracted their attention.

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Oraac Ensor
#29 - 2014-03-19 20:34:16 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Ignoring for the moment that you posted your goodbye post in EvE New Citizens Q&A - which is against the rules afaik .

J'Poll wrote:
Uhm. Not sure but last time I checked (rage) quit threads are not allowed here.

So newbies on trial accounts are not allowed to tell us why they are leaving?
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#30 - 2014-03-19 20:56:23 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Ignoring for the moment that you posted your goodbye post in EvE New Citizens Q&A - which is against the rules afaik .

J'Poll wrote:
Uhm. Not sure but last time I checked (rage) quit threads are not allowed here.

So newbies on trial accounts are not allowed to tell us why they are leaving?

Considering this is still open the mods seem to see no problem at the moment.

But besides that:

32. "Quitting" posts are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience channel.
CCP recognize that during the course of gameplay a lot of friendships are made between players and that sometimes if a player is taking a break or departing from the EVE universe that they would like to say goodbye on the forums. Posts of this nature are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum, and must be civil and well worded.

22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.

3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.
Hydran Aphobia
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-03-19 21:09:28 UTC
Well first off lets be honest. A reputable organization like Marmite collective really has their heads in their arses if they are declaring war on newbie corporations. Lets be honest, Marmite exists for GOOD pvp and shooting up trial account ships ain't exactly pvp. So shame on the utter moron who thought that would be a good idea.

That being said, if the OP and his friend's ever get over their collective butt hurt and decide they want to play EVE again, you may contact me and I will assist them in getting placed in a corporation that actually has ships bigger than newbie frigates and industrial ships.
voetius
Grundrisse
#32 - 2014-03-19 21:43:10 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Furthermore, if you are in a dust corp, are you then also in a FW corp? Perhaps that would explain the aggression you are experiencing.
His troubles are with Marmite, they've lost a couple of destroyers and ventures, hardly crippling.


Why would marmite wardec a noobcorp? I thought they wardecced large nullsec alliances to gank nullbears in highsec.


I'm a bit sceptical of the whole thing. Marmite don't seem to be the type to target newbies, so I think there is more to it than we have been told.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#33 - 2014-03-19 22:14:11 UTC
Sorry to see you go.

I always had a thing for guys named Bruce. Sad

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2014-03-19 22:31:16 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
Seems I made it on time:

Can I have your stuff?


No your not in time, someone blew up his stuff.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#35 - 2014-03-19 22:34:40 UTC
This is why there need to be larger prerequisites to forming a corp than just an hour of skill training.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#36 - 2014-03-19 22:36:53 UTC
voetius wrote:


I'm a bit sceptical of the whole thing. Marmite don't seem to be the type to target newbies, so I think there is more to it than we have been told.



Most likely one member of the corp did something obnoxious and stupid, like post a "HALP SOME CHEATER GANKED ME WHEN I WAZ AFK MINNING CCP PLEASE BAN!!!!!" thread.

I forward posts like that to Marmite at times.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#37 - 2014-03-19 22:50:49 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Most likely one member of the corp did something obnoxious and stupid, like post a "HALP SOME CHEATER GANKED ME WHEN I WAZ AFK MINNING CCP PLEASE BAN!!!!!" thread.

I forward posts like that to Marmite at times.
You're evil, me likey

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-03-20 01:27:14 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Furthermore, if you are in a dust corp, are you then also in a FW corp? Perhaps that would explain the aggression you are experiencing.
His troubles are with Marmite, they've lost a couple of destroyers and ventures, hardly crippling.


Why would marmite wardec a noobcorp? I thought they wardecced large nullsec alliances to gank nullbears in highsec.


Likely one (or multiple) member(s) did something that attracted their attention.

Not uncommon if you fly stupid ships / cargo in Jita that Marmite will notice and dec you (saves them suiciding those AP guys).

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-03-20 01:29:00 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Ignoring for the moment that you posted your goodbye post in EvE New Citizens Q&A - which is against the rules afaik .

J'Poll wrote:
Uhm. Not sure but last time I checked (rage) quit threads are not allowed here.

So newbies on trial accounts are not allowed to tell us why they are leaving?



Ooh I love this...

Mr Oraac, the patron saint of pulling forum rules when ever something is borderline breaking rules in his opinion, but when something is ACTUAL forum rule breaking he suddenly plays Mr. Innocent.


Let me quote them for you:

Quote:
32. "Quitting" posts are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience channel.

CCP recognize that during the course of gameplay a lot of friendships are made between players and that sometimes if a player is taking a break or departing from the EVE universe that they would like to say goodbye on the forums. Posts of this nature are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum, and must be civil and well worded.



So...YES.

He should NOT post this here, because it's against forum rules.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-03-20 01:31:10 UTC
Hydran Aphobia wrote:
Well first off lets be honest. A reputable organization like Marmite collective really has their heads in their arses if they are declaring war on newbie corporations. Lets be honest, Marmite exists for GOOD pvp and shooting up trial account ships ain't exactly pvp. So shame on the utter moron who thought that would be a good idea.

That being said, if the OP and his friend's ever get over their collective butt hurt and decide they want to play EVE again, you may contact me and I will assist them in getting placed in a corporation that actually has ships bigger than newbie frigates and industrial ships.


Unless some of those newbies was shipping something expensive, got suicide ganked and raged at Marmite (or in that trend).

Then it falls straight into Marmite's street and I don't blame it (actions have consequences...think before you act).

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