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Dual sovereignty for Luminaire solar system Gallente/Caldari
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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#241 - 2014-03-18 19:33:35 UTC
Cuci Cairi wrote:
Is it not true that there is moderation in drinking, but by definition there is no longer moderation in the term "Provist?" .


Quite so. The word "provist" in my booze analogy would be equivalent to the word "alcoholic" - somebody who is addicted and consumed by an impulse that is, with moderation and sensible limits, perfectly healthy and acceptable.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#242 - 2014-03-18 21:52:02 UTC
Ok, this topic is old. How we doing on the Amarr/Minmatar front? Let's listen to them lament there woes and espouse curses upon each other for a bit.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#243 - 2014-03-19 13:19:12 UTC
Cuci Cairi wrote:
Heth is gone and all know his incompetence and insanity before he left.

"All" means only deluded gallentean scum, who can't acknowledge Caldari culture, and accept Tibus Heth as a Hero and ideal for Caldari people.
There is not a single gallentean, who could be more competent that Tibus Heth.
And only disrespectful scum would call him insane.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#244 - 2014-03-19 15:01:35 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Cuci Cairi wrote:
Is it not true that there is moderation in drinking, but by definition there is no longer moderation in the term "Provist?" .


Quite so. The word "provist" in my booze analogy would be equivalent to the word "alcoholic" - somebody who is addicted and consumed by an impulse that is, with moderation and sensible limits, perfectly healthy and acceptable.


The word "provist" it means you have a passion of patriotism. Their is a camaraderie, or a feeling of brotherhood, unique bond that unites group of people with similiar view.

Stitcher i would like to ask you question only need a yes or no answer. Tibus Heth and the nationalist movement created the meritocracy of merit.You agree with that right.
Jace Sarice
#245 - 2014-03-19 15:06:58 UTC
TomHorn wrote:

Stitcher i would like to ask you question only need a yes or no answer. Tibus Heth and the nationalist movement created the meritocracy of merit.You agree with that right.


Nobody does. Learn your own history.

Also, "meritocracy of merit" is redundant.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#246 - 2014-03-19 15:24:13 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
Cuci Cairi wrote:
Is it not true that there is moderation in drinking, but by definition there is no longer moderation in the term "Provist?" .


Quite so. The word "provist" in my booze analogy would be equivalent to the word "alcoholic" - somebody who is addicted and consumed by an impulse that is, with moderation and sensible limits, perfectly healthy and acceptable.


The word "provist" it means you have a passion of patriotism. Their is a camaraderie, or a feeling of brotherhood, unique bond that unites group of people with similiar view.

I am afraid these categories are alien to him.
To tell an outcast living in a wormhole about Caldari patriotism is like to cast pearls before swine.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#247 - 2014-03-19 15:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: TomHorn
Jace Sarice wrote:
TomHorn wrote:

Stitcher i would like to ask you question only need a yes or no answer. Tibus Heth and the nationalist movement created the meritocracy of merit.You agree with that right.


Nobody does. Learn your own history.

Also, "meritocracy of merit" is redundant.


So you disagree with the reforms Heth put in place Jace, and the benefits it created for the trillions of State workers. To deny that Heth did not create a meritocracy of merit is to deny that our homeworld is Caldari Prime
Jace Sarice
#248 - 2014-03-19 15:55:53 UTC
TomHorn wrote:

So you disagree with the reforms Heth put in place Jace, and the benefits it created for the trillions of State workers. To deny that Heth did not create a meritocracy of merit is to deny that our homeworld is Caldari Prime


Yes, I think that transforming a meritocracy into a dictatorship under one man was not beneficial to the State.

Pardon my brevity, but you are not worth the effort to discuss with at any length. Come to think of it, you are not worth discussing with at all. Welcome to my block list.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#249 - 2014-03-19 16:03:43 UTC
The liberals, the only opinion they like to hear is their own. Enjoy your fantasy world where everyone agrees with each other.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#250 - 2014-03-19 16:39:56 UTC
Jace Sarice wrote:
TomHorn wrote:

So you disagree with the reforms Heth put in place Jace, and the benefits it created for the trillions of State workers. To deny that Heth did not create a meritocracy of merit is to deny that our homeworld is Caldari Prime


Yes, I think that transforming a meritocracy into a dictatorship under one man was not beneficial to the State.

That's the one of the most ignorant things I ever heard...
"Dictatorship".
I think here we have a case with freshly brainwashed by gallenteans brain.

Jace Sarice wrote:

Pardon my brevity, but you are not worth the effort to discuss with at any length. Come to think of it, you are not worth discussing with at all. Welcome to my block list.

And, obviously, he just found that his gallentean brainwashing can't answer all questions, so he is blocking, because he becomes disturbed.
If Mr. Sarice would be a citizen of the State, however, putting him into psychiatric clinic, where he would be forcibly reeducated and treated, could solve that problem. Unfortunately, he is a capsuleer now and outside of State authority, and I don't know who could help him...

Maybe, however, it is a just malfunctioning clone, and he will be normal after he will die... or am I being too optimistic?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#251 - 2014-03-19 16:50:43 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
The liberals, the only opinion they like to hear is their own. Enjoy your fantasy world where everyone agrees with each other.


I just spat my tea all over my pants in laughter. I'm sending you the bill for the dry cleaning.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#252 - 2014-03-19 16:56:52 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
TomHorn wrote:
The liberals, the only opinion they like to hear is their own. Enjoy your fantasy world where everyone agrees with each other.


I just spat my tea all over my pants in laughter. I'm sending you the bill for the dry cleaning.

Better send your pants.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#253 - 2014-03-19 17:00:44 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
TomHorn wrote:
The liberals, the only opinion they like to hear is their own. Enjoy your fantasy world where everyone agrees with each other.


I just spat my tea all over my pants in laughter. I'm sending you the bill for the dry cleaning.

Better send your pants.

I think she's trying to proposition you Fred.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#254 - 2014-03-19 17:05:27 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Jace Sarice wrote:
TomHorn wrote:

So you disagree with the reforms Heth put in place Jace, and the benefits it created for the trillions of State workers. To deny that Heth did not create a meritocracy of merit is to deny that our homeworld is Caldari Prime


Yes, I think that transforming a meritocracy into a dictatorship under one man was not beneficial to the State.

That's the one of the most ignorant things I ever heard...
"Dictatorship".
I think here we have a case with freshly brainwashed by gallenteans brain.

Jace Sarice wrote:

Pardon my brevity, but you are not worth the effort to discuss with at any length. Come to think of it, you are not worth discussing with at all. Welcome to my block list.

And, obviously, he just found that his gallentean brainwashing can't answer all questions, so he is blocking, because he becomes disturbed.


Yes, he can not and will not admit that Heth and the nationalists changed the lives of the trillions of State workers for the better.

Diana Kim wrote:
Maybe, however, it is a just malfunctioning clone, and he will be normal after he will die... or am I being too optimistic?


I think you are being to over optimistic Diana. They are not as honest as they would like you to believe.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#255 - 2014-03-19 17:07:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Better send your pants.


Please stop hitting on me.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#256 - 2014-03-19 20:23:45 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Better send your pants.


Please stop hitting on me.

Don't listen to him Kimmy, it's fun to watch him squirm.Twisted

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#257 - 2014-03-19 21:06:34 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
First of all, Andreus, I forgot how well you can speak when the spirit seizes you. That was very well said, very well indeed. And James, do you think I want to live in a cluster where Diana Kim is right and I'm wrong? Perhaps what I said wasn't logically supported to the extent it could have been, but it was very much from the heart.

I feel marginalised in my own community - for the last year all I have seen is the Federation on the offensive, crowing about their gains when the pendulum is with them, scorched earth and booby traps when it isn't. Using their strength like a blunt instrument because they can - even though their decision to storm the Shiigeru arguably cost many more lives than it ever could have saved.

The best of us die. The rest of us go on. It makes me heartsick.

It troubles me that you feel so Pieter.

But your disquietude aside, many seem to council a blissful forgetfulness regarding the Provosts role in the State until very recently.

Thus I hope you will forgive our caution.

The quintessential threat poised by the Shiigeru to both the body and soul of the Federation required its removal.

Had the cost in felling her been ten fold it would have remained necessary.

An honorable and equitable peace is now possible.

Perhaps we would all be better served exploring that.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#258 - 2014-03-19 21:49:08 UTC  |  Edited by: TomHorn
Quote:
James Syagrius [quote]

The quintessential threat poised by the Shiigeru to both the body and soul of the Federation required its removal.

Had the cost in felling her been ten fold it would have remained necessary.


Shiigeru was no threat.It was in the orbit of our own homeworld, for the purpose of defending Caldari sovereignty. Your President Foiritan signed a treaty which cede control of Caldari Prime and handed it back to the State yc110, it was the sovereignty of the Caldari State.

The attack by the goverment of Roden on the Shiigeru and on our homeworld, was an unprovoked attack on another nations sovereignty, which broke an international treaty. Cost the lives of many people.

Im sure the CEP see them as criminals. Roden goverment is criminal goverment.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#259 - 2014-03-19 22:24:57 UTC
No, it's pretty clear who the CEP actually see as criminals, indicated by the fact that they negotiated with the Roden government. They tried to negotiate with some actual criminals, but lo and behold, that didn't work out so well, which is why the Provists were legally dissolved and now have no power or authority in the State.

And yes, I am going to continue to be incredibly smug about that.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#260 - 2014-03-19 22:52:41 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
First of all, Andreus, I forgot how well you can speak when the spirit seizes you. That was very well said, very well indeed. And James, do you think I want to live in a cluster where Diana Kim is right and I'm wrong? Perhaps what I said wasn't logically supported to the extent it could have been, but it was very much from the heart.

I feel marginalised in my own community - for the last year all I have seen is the Federation on the offensive, crowing about their gains when the pendulum is with them, scorched earth and booby traps when it isn't. Using their strength like a blunt instrument because they can - even though their decision to storm the Shiigeru arguably cost many more lives than it ever could have saved.

The best of us die. The rest of us go on. It makes me heartsick.

It troubles me that you feel so Pieter.

But your disquietude aside, many seem to council a blissful forgetfulness regarding the Provosts role in the State until very recently.

Thus I hope you will forgive our caution.

The quintessential threat poised by the Shiigeru to both the body and soul of the Federation required its removal.

Had the cost in felling her been ten fold it would have remained necessary.

An honorable and equitable peace is now possible.

Perhaps we would all be better served exploring that.


Of course we would, James. A thousand times better served than we are in chewing over the dry and dusty bones of this war - want to hazard an educated guess which will actually get done?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.