EVE General Discussion

Not at all. I offer my thoughts based on my experience, just as everyone does. The OP is free to take away whatever he/she wants for all of it.

As I play on 2 characters and play in lowsec daily, I'm fairly comfortable that I have a good handle on the current state of a broad cross-section of lowsec systems, but if others don't agree with that, no problem.

It doesn't require flying stupidly in lowsec to be able to observe what is going on. If you think anyone should just fly in something large on their own in lowsec, or if you've done it yourself and lost a ship, then that's just a fail in basic survival skills. Survival in lowsec requires more effort than highsec and even certain areas of npc nullsec, but it isn't rocket science.

There are also several good information sources the OP can use to see whether someone's advice is relevant or not. For example, for Battleship and Battlecruiser losses, zkillboard provides a pretty good indication of where those classes of ships are mostly lost in lowsec. It's overwhelmingly within FW systems and transport pipes between FW systems. Not much outside those areas. Dotlan is also a good information source on the risk of different areas.

Actually, I'm not sure what you are arguing anymore.

First you agreed with corporate commander, then backed away from the extreme views he wrote after I addressed specifics at your request. Then you indicate my view was only an exception and limited because I fly frigates, destroyers and cruisers solo and not larger ships, then you seem to agree that survival in lowsec is possible with the use of good survival skills.

From my perspective, the flip-flopping from one view to another is a little hard to follow, but I'm a little slow.

So I'll just leave it with the views I've already expressed that lowsec is not full of blobbers with no loyalty to anyone. Most lowsec pilots are not in lowsec only because they have no spine for nullsec, and outside FW systems and transport systems between FW systems, it is quite possible to play relatively unimpeded if you take simple steps to assist your survival.


I don't think I've ever made that assumption, nor indicated that view.

I think by far there are more alts in the forum than mains. That's a choice many people seem to make.

Ok, for the record.. you seem to have trouble with nuance.



No.. I consider his post sound advice to a newbie, while you seemed to be indignant by his use of hyperbole and challenged it on every level. I have not backed away from this opinion.



I briefly looked at your killboard when you challenged corporate commander's advice based on his. I noticed that you by and large have skirmished with frigates and destroyers. Your cruiser level kills are predominantly in 4+ vs. 1 category, ganging up on a lone target with corp/alliance members. This confirms corporate commander views that low sec PvP involves gankers taking calculated risks.



Yeah.. I got that you took this as an affront, but by and large I considered it irrelevant for the points corporate commander is making.



We agree here, with an emphasis on 'relatively'... I merely pointed out that you will face more tenacious pursuit if you roam in anything bigger than an exploration frigate.



I gathered that you did assume corporate commander was a main.. when you wrote "Hmmm. No killboard stats to go by, nor much for the Corp you are in either,".