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Why do we hate miners so much?

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Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2014-03-19 20:14:40 UTC
There are several reasons people hate miners:
1) Feeling it is their responsibility to police botting (false; it is your job to report it)
2) Feeling it is their responsibility to police AFK play (false; you can capitalize on inattention if you wish, but the way to actually combat it is to propose ways to make play more interesting, which does not include "STAY AT KEYBOARD TO MASH BUTTAN MOAR!"
3) Distorted understanding of supply and demand, wherein they appear to believe any supply at all causes out-of-control deflation (clear smokescreen for "I want easy targets")
4) Feeling miners should not "whine" on the forums (understandable, as they shouldn't but overblown because CCP does not just see whines and make corresponding adjustments. They attempt, sometimes with success and sometimes without, to bring all playstyles into balance)

There's a lot more reasons why people ATTACK miners, even if they don't hate them, with far more legitimacy even if it's just "I like killing Hulks". People that actually have a generalized hate or active dislike towards miners generally have a very distorted view of how the game works and what "sandbox" actually means. If you want to attack another player in the sandbox, that's part of the game; actively hating what they do with their sand means you are basically taking things too seriously.

(This goes both ways. Hating gankers makes little sense either.)

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Prince Sanguine
#62 - 2014-03-19 20:15:07 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Drone 16 wrote:
Can I have a free Hulk? Roll


I bet you can get a fun surprise once you fleet up with his 'Rorqual.'


LOL..the only surprise here is that he can't read what his own CEO wrote in their corp's recruitment page. He is just silly


I only deal with pvp recruiting. My opinion is my own not the corp. Still hate people who only mine

Everytime you read this you are required to send 100 million isk directly to me.

Rainbow Dash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-03-19 20:44:06 UTC
I gank miners because I find it enjoyable, profitable, easy and every so often I'll get a great tear-filled response.

I can't bring myself to hate someone because of a video game though. If you're legit mad over a game, you probably need to step away for a bit.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2014-03-19 20:45:27 UTC
Prince Sanguine wrote:
I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

Why would anyone hate miners? It seems counter productive. They're such a great source of income.

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Zack Korth
Livid CO.
#65 - 2014-03-19 20:52:13 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
I don't hate miners, I hate mining.
That's why I let other people do it.


Exactly, have fun mining, doing basically nothing, sweet.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#66 - 2014-03-19 21:05:46 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Helia Tranquilis wrote:
No mining - no catalysts
No mining - no archons
No mining - no titans
No mining - no trading
No mining - no cheap ships for pvp

No missioning - no rigs to fit your pew ships with
No missioning - no meta to give you shiny T2 gear


Like it or not, EVE has a real economy and in real economy every link counts. If someone wants to shoot rocks all day, let them. Cheaper ships for me.


Gunmining. Reprocessing loots. Salvaging post-human wrecks.


After the drone poo and meta 1 module drop nerfs there is no way those will keep up with demand Blink
Bedwyr McNobbler
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2014-03-19 21:14:13 UTC
Prince Sanguine wrote:
I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?


You sound frustrated? is mining too difficult for you?
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#68 - 2014-03-19 21:29:50 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Another pathetic thread brought to you by the fine people of Eve online...

I think it's some kind of propaganda. Possibly created by an alt of a James 315 disciple. And the disciple himself is actually a Jim alt. You have to watch out which threads you get into-- you might get into one where all of the levels of alts start talking to each other.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#69 - 2014-03-19 21:33:31 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
You have to watch out which threads you get into-- you might get into one where all of the levels of alts start talking to each other.


Confirming that this happens.

Not that im a part of it, but it happens.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Winchester Steele
#70 - 2014-03-19 21:38:04 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Another pathetic thread brought to you by the fine people of Eve online...

I think it's some kind of propaganda. Possibly created by an alt of a James 315 disciple. And the disciple himself is actually a Jim alt. You have to watch out which threads you get into-- you might get into one where all of the levels of alts start talking to each other.



And how do I know that you aren't my alt hmm?

If you're my alt, and I'm James315's alt and James is TheMittani's alt.... Are we all alts of Chribba?

#rabbithole #mindblown #tinfoil

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Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
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#71 - 2014-03-19 21:48:56 UTC
Altessa Post wrote:
I hate tear collectors with a passion.


:(
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#72 - 2014-03-19 21:49:42 UTC
I love miners!

I love miners a whooooole lot.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#73 - 2014-03-19 22:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Helicity Boson wrote:
I love miners!

I love miners a whooooole lot.
Do I detect the chance of an event celebrating your love of miners being organised in the near future?

P

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#74 - 2014-03-19 22:00:28 UTC
I don't hate miners.

I do, however, hate bad attitudes, and game mechanics that enable them. So while I do hate the act of mining, I don't hate the people who do it. In fact, you could say that I blow them up so often because I love them, and I want them to be freed from the toxic activity they've been enslaved by.

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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#75 - 2014-03-19 22:06:56 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Helicity Boson wrote:
I love miners!

I love miners a whooooole lot.
Do I detect the chance of an event celebrating your love of miners being organised in the near future?

P


Unless there is some miraculous event giving me double my current free time (like...getting fired?) I don't see that happening in any timespan you might reasonably call "soon".



I'm always watching the miners though. Always listening.

I. See. All.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
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#76 - 2014-03-19 22:07:16 UTC
Helia Tranquilis wrote:
No mining - no catalysts
No mining - no archons
No mining - no titans
No mining - no trading
No mining - no cheap ships for pvp

No missioning - no rigs to fit your pew ships with
No missioning - no meta to give you shiny T2 gear


Like it or not, EVE has a real economy and in real economy every link counts. If someone wants to shoot rocks all day, let them. Cheaper ships for me.


Actually, we could get all our ore from reprocessing. Prices would rise dramatically, but its possible to get everything in game without mining(except maybe ice?).

I certainly wouldn't recommend eliminating mining without something else to replace it.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#77 - 2014-03-19 22:08:36 UTC
I don't hate miners. I sometimes mine but what I have noticed is miners who mine undefended. Are they just wanting to be blown up?
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#78 - 2014-03-19 22:11:17 UTC
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
I don't hate miners. I sometimes mine but what I have noticed is miners who mine undefended. Are they just wanting to be blown up?


I've been pointing this out for years now. I've caused thousands and thousands (literally) of them to die to my Hulkageddon events. I've caused over a trillion and a half in damages to miners alone in this fashion.


...and they still sit AFK in a belt in an untanked mining barge

At this point I believe the answer to your question to be: "yes, yes they do."

To repost an image from Hulkageddon II: http://hulkageddon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/propaganda.jpg
Ismol Mond
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2014-03-19 22:15:37 UTC
Miners are like that little skinny kid in school whose pant cuffs are too high, whose hair always sticks up and everyone makes fun of because they know he won't or can't do anything about it (ignoring for etiquette's sake recent violent counter-examples).
So, OP what you see in the miner is your own insecurity about yourself. You see yourself as a vulnerable, funny looking kid and you hate that about yourself. When you gank that little fella you're really trying to kill that part of you that you are afraid of and that you hate. In effect you are trying to kill yourself.
However, you will always be you and until you realize how beautiful you are you will seethe with hatred, and envy those psychology well-adjusted folks who mine in EVE.
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#80 - 2014-03-19 22:19:15 UTC
Ismol Mond wrote:

However, you will always be you and until you realize how beautiful you are you will seethe with hatred, and envy those psychology well-adjusted folks who mine in EVE.


You realize that these are exactly the people who send me real life death threats at my home address when I run Hulkageddon, right?