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Best amarr boat for L4's ?
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WonkySplitDemon
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-03-18 12:01:24 UTC
Anyone? Have'nt played for about 6 months, used to run a mega pulse Napoc but not sure whats now best with all the balancing changes etc..
Callus Frost
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-03-18 12:23:42 UTC
I would say Napoc or Paladin
WonkySplitDemon
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-03-18 12:32:55 UTC
got any fits for the napoc?
Callus Frost
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-03-18 13:00:57 UTC
Not on the top of my head, but found this: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/36297-Apocalypse-Navy-Issue-Lvl-4-Imperial-RipperRoo.html

I would personally trade out one of the hardeners for one Heatsink more (even thou you gett stacking penalty), and put a webber on it or a tracking computer more.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-03-18 15:57:30 UTC
Callus Frost wrote:
Not on the top of my head, but found this: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/36297-Apocalypse-Navy-Issue-Lvl-4-Imperial-RipperRoo.html

I would personally trade out one of the hardeners for one Heatsink more (even thou you gett stacking penalty), and put a webber on it or a tracking computer more.

confirming good advice. in fact, I would fly this ship with three tracking comps (change scripts on the fly as needed) and three or four heat sinks, depending on the mission.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Illiar D'Anaari
Lassandar
#6 - 2014-03-18 16:30:43 UTC
Haven't flown a NApoc but I can confirm that the Paladin is a hell of a beast in L4s. I find the immunity to ewar to be the best feature of it, alongside its impressive tank and massive dps.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2014-03-18 16:37:17 UTC
as a pilot who primarily flies every but amarr, why would anyone even consider using the Napoc for missions if the paladin is available? The apoc has like.. 1 extra lowslot and a tracking bonus going for it. Seems pretty minor compared to everything the paladin has, even a non-bastion paladin.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-03-18 16:42:05 UTC
Batelle wrote:
as a pilot who primarily flies every but amarr, why would anyone even consider using the Napoc for missions if the paladin is available? The apoc has like.. 1 extra lowslot and a tracking bonus going for it. Seems pretty minor compared to everything the paladin has, even a non-bastion paladin.

AWU V and marauders V are a three month training queue. aside from that, there is no good reason not to choose the paladin.

I should buy an Ishtar.
WonkySplitDemon
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-03-18 16:50:43 UTC
I cant use a paladin or i'd be using that :)

Also, the hull costs a bil
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-03-18 16:59:52 UTC
why is nobody recomanding the navy geddon?
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#11 - 2014-03-18 17:17:43 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
why is nobody recomanding the navy geddon?



Sounds like you just did
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#12 - 2014-03-18 17:52:10 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
why is nobody recomanding the navy geddon?


Navy Geddon is solid for max dps up close, but the mix of speed, range and tracking of the navy Apoc is fairly impressive if you utilize it properly. I actually do prefer the Navy Apoc even over the Paladin since the bastion changes(what did cost it a lot of dps, the 90% web and some speed for a tank you never need for L4s anyway).

[Apocalypse Navy Issue, PVE Foxcat]
Core B-Type Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger II
Core A-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L

Large Energy Locus Coordinator II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I

Garde II x3
Hobgoblin II x2
Hobgoblin II x3

The ship in action:

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1306/New_NAPOC_Smuggler_Interception.mkv
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1402/Navy_Apoc_Angel_Extravaganza.mkv

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
Lantro
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-03-18 20:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lantro
Daniel Plain wrote:
AWU V and marauders V are a three month training queue. aside from that, there is no good reason not to choose the paladin.


Marauders V is not necessary to fly any of the Marauders with T2 fitting without any problems in any L4 mission. I will definetly train it on ally my upcoming toons to 5 but even II isn't necessary. Bastion Mode and the reduced MJD are the key in this case.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-03-19 04:08:12 UTC
Lantro wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
AWU V and marauders V are a three month training queue. aside from that, there is no good reason not to choose the paladin.


Marauders V is not necessary to fly any of the Marauders with T2 fitting without any problems in any L4 mission. I will definetly train it on ally my upcoming toons to 5 but even II isn't necessary. Bastion Mode and the reduced MJD are the key in this case.


marauder V was what made marauders worth the 1b before there rebalance. bastion and ecm immunity might reduce that in some missions now
Sintiar Loffwagea
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-03-19 04:31:27 UTC
u can fly Nightmare with more DPS (same DPS at range) like Napo
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-03-19 07:52:35 UTC
Sacrilege, Baddon or Paladin i'd say...

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The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#17 - 2014-03-19 12:18:28 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Lantro wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
AWU V and marauders V are a three month training queue. aside from that, there is no good reason not to choose the paladin.


Marauders V is not necessary to fly any of the Marauders with T2 fitting without any problems in any L4 mission. I will definetly train it on ally my upcoming toons to 5 but even II isn't necessary. Bastion Mode and the reduced MJD are the key in this case.


marauder V was what made marauders worth the 1b before there rebalance. bastion and ecm immunity might reduce that in some missions now


Meh, I still wish there would be a option to get back the ships I flown before all the bastion and mjd nonsense. Cry

I kind of miss my old marauders, especially my old Kronos and Paladin with higher speed, proper drone bays and 90% webs.

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
Lantro
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-03-19 12:44:17 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
marauder V was what made marauders worth the 1b before there rebalance. bastion and ecm immunity might reduce that in some missions now
Yes, but those days are gone, only thing worth a thought that's there currently for Marauder II or more is the tracking bonus but that's more or less compensated by the optimal bonus of Bastionmode since you need less tracking on distance. Works flawless in ANY mission.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-03-19 12:59:42 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Fly the NApoc till you get the skills and ISK to upgrade. If you don't have AWU 5 there's a good chance you're missing other skills as well. Don't just train the minimum required to get in the ship. That's a recipe for a sad pilot when it goes pop. Sad

Also don't fly what you can't afford to lose. (Don't spend all your ISK to buy it) It's not likely you will lose a ship in a mission but it does happen.

Of course none of this applies if you're "1337". Those people never play tired, never ever make mistakes of any kind or get ganked. My disclaimer for the "If you lose a ship in a mission you're _______" replies. P
Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#20 - 2014-03-19 15:41:33 UTC
I'm Amarr main, and I fly my L4 missions in a Tachyon Nightmare. Now, I know it's not an Amarr only boat, but Caldari BS I takes like 30 hours, if even that much.

Of course, you need to have shield tanking skills as well, but it's never a bad idea to have those trained anyways
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