EVE General Discussion

Except that there is no such law, but rather a force of luck. AFK mining is pretty easy and safe despite their "efforts."

Where does that place pure indy characters who don't mine? They are not only safer being predominantly docked, but also don't even have to be logged in for most of their activity.

Because a subset of AFK miners can't/won't move out of heavily code trafficked areas? Some people are easily riled up? Dunno, really. What I do know is that for all the barges being destroyed people keep trying which means there is some measure of AFK success and it's enough to keep people taking the risk and enough to generate a number of miners who have yet to experience any form of code enforcement.

Essentially New Order are sort of an ingame version of the Skinhead punks from the 60's and 70's who really just wanted to bash someone and see them bleed but invented excuses like they were Gay or Indian/Pakistani or maybe just looked like a dork so they felt justified ganging up on them.

Now the sensible reaction to New Order is see them as annoying brats and move on. However some people, presumably the ones facing racism, neo-nazism or organised crime extortion in real life seem to get annoyed by it being endorsed in a game and feel that anyone paying up is encouraging the behaviour.

If you like New Order and really want to gank miners, or as a miner feel warm and fuzzy about paying up when you could just move a few systems and ignore them, then go for it and ignore any criticism from other miners.

There are no good guys or bad guys in the equation, just playing styles that a person wishes to partake in.

This game is portrayed as being one in which you can follow any path that you so wish, no limitations. Whether it be a miner spending hours checking their hold to empty once an hour, a ganker on the prowl for a victim or a body in a fleet battle that spans hours and different timezones - PVP'ing to their hearts content.

Like a TV evangelist, the Code pontiifcates on "the evils of AFK mining and not interacting with the game" stating that you should be interacting with this game, that you are bringing content to those pagans who have not seen the light, as you have from your supposedly high moral ground.

Call the idea of the Code for what it is, a group of people who do not like the playstyle of another group and believe that their playstyle is the one that others should follow. You are creating content for yourselves and ensconcing it in rhetoric that you are doing it to bring content to those who side step content.

Don't hide behind some higher calling or some misguided notion that an AFK player harms the game (as an AFK player has no effect on your game play). Be honest and upfront and change the manifesto to " We do not like that you do not play the game in the way we believe that you should be playing, so we will do what we can to enforce our ideal of game style and replace yours with it".

For my part, i'll keep mining in my own way - minus a permit. If i get ganked or bumped, I accept that as being part of the game and will go back and reship or jump back to my asteroid friends (as they dont have delusions of holy relevance).

Cheers,

AA

AFK generation of resources (whether done by EULA-compliant methods or outright botting) does indeed have an effect on the gameplay of others.

It reduces mineral prices, increases supercapital proliferation, and as such increases the power of nullsec entities that can field supercapital fleets at the expense of nullsec entities that don't have supercap fleets and aspiring future nullsec entities.


Isn't it ironic that, for all that the New Order get called 'Goon Pets' because of James' former affiliation with Goons and his continuing friendship with Mittens, the activities of the NO (both blowing up barges, and reporting the bot miners) actually harm the Goons.

Sure, if you're going to blanket label every miner in game, but I really doubt all the players who mine would bother to seek you out for insult.

You seem confused about what constitutes a good guy. Extortion typically isn't on that list. Especially when faced with wiping out an ethically neutral activity.

So does a pure manufacturer not play the game?

Certainly. Especially because they aren't undocked in open space pretending that they are actually playing.

Can you name one?

There may be many players who have manufacturing alts, but I don't know of any where manufacturing is how they would describe themselves. It's just one activity to support the activities of their main character or other activities.

There may very well be someone who has a character that manufactures as their only activity in the game as a player. I would think that is very much the exception rather than the rule.

It's not ore they claim ownership of is it?

It's space. The tax/admin fee/shakedown payment is to cover your use of the space, not for taking ownership of minerals in that space.