Ships & Modules

Is horrendous. Why is it so bad?

Quite literally any ship using any other weapon system with a web / scram / ab can get under pulse lasers. Even Gatling pulse lasers. Add to it the fact that many Amarr ships don't have 3 mid slots (ie. no web) and you are utterly boned.

Projection means nothing if you can't hit a target.

Buff Pulse tracking.

Yes buff all lasers please.

They're awesome right now but I wouldn't mind them being even awesomer!

The only thing lasers need is infinite range with damage getting less the farther you are from your target.

Then instead of short ranged, high dps and long range, low dps varieties that all turrets have now lasers could be unique among the turrets and have high dps, low tracking and low dps high tracking variants (or something similar).

Not that it would be balanced, but it would be cool imo!

Pulse lasers (well all lasers actualy) are medium ranged weapons. If you get up close and personal you are doing it wrong, use blasters for that.

Burn this image into your brain:
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I have literally never had a ship get 'under my guns' because of the pulse laser tracking numbers. I have however flubbed my manual flying and screwed myself royally but that's another issue entirely.

OP. Lasers are great, but if you are relying on orbit and keep at range to do the flying for you, you are going to have a hard time getting your dps down. That works for blasters and autocannons as their tracking is more forgiving. Practice manually piloting in straight vectors, this will drop your angular velocity. Keep pulling 'crazy ivans' (suddenly changing direction) in a way that allows you to pull away from the other ship. If they have hit approach or keep at range themselves, they have effectively handed over control of their ship to yours This can be abused.

If it looks like they have hit orbit (silly fools) double click in space and travel on a straight vector. Unless they are mega fast they won't be able to establish an orbit and will be wasting velocity trying to come around you. They will end up just chasing you, which is where you want them. Yarr! A quick burst of overheat helps to pull away.

This even works with a Punisher. It works really well with the Tormentor.


Ed Don't forget you can also dive straight down or up. In eve, orbits can tend to settle on the flat system plane. These sudden direction changes can make the other ship stop dead in space for a few seconds. If you think you are winning, be on the look out for them turning away to break tackle and escape. They will have some distance to travel to do this and they will oblige you with low angular when they do. Hit approach, overheat if you still have any and be ready to swap to scorch. Then spank them hard. If they are blaster or AC fit their damage will drop off while yours will keep on truckin'. It can in fact be an advantage to try to keep your self reasonably close during the fight so they still have this distance to traverse to run away.


Hope this helps.

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you are probably orbiting your target at a range of ~1km-2.5km if you are complaining about tracking

dont orbit

laser tracking is horrible

you have range

keep at edge of optimal and force blasters to use null and ACs to be in deeper than usual falloff while you do full dps with conflag/multi

this also means you are pulling away from rocket ships since everyone will try to orbit you as close as possible, meaning their rockets have a longer interval and your reps are more powerful

insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

force others to play your game, dont play theirs

Both of them!

Being able to engage from longer range means being able to 'front load' your damage to your target before they engage. Hopefully giving you enough of a head start once they get into you and start applying their own damage.

And don't be fooled into thinking that every ship needs the 'holy trinity' of prop mod+scram+web to be effective in a brawl. There are plenty of fits out there that operate in brawls and get plenty of kills (dual rep incursus is probably the most famous)

This will really nock off a few of the frig jock pvp'ers on these forums but whatever the 'theory' says 2 mid slot/ no web brawlers are effective in various areas of eve.

To add to that and as we've already established lasers have fantastic damage projection and one of the things that makes you hard to kite if you are slow is damage projection. For example if you have a frigate that has tackled a battleship and is under its guns and will survive the drones and you send in some dps. The battleship is likely to start shooting at your dps and the farther that battleship can reach that harder it's going to be to dps it safely, especially if you are a cruiser gang for example. Getting in neut range can get you dead in a hurry if the battleship can apply most of it's damage at that range.

All arguments about pulse lasers being good come down to one thing: Scorch. Without Scorch it would be a subpar weapon system, I'm not saying Pulses are bad, in the right conditions they are amazing, but it's really reliant on Scorch, T1 pulses are just sad.