EVE General Discussion

You'll have to excuse my cynicism, but that sounds like a whole bunch of whining for, "You dont play Eve my way, therefore I must whine so thoroughly that CCP must stop you from playing Eve."

Is that really good for Eve?

As to the mining permits, if you've actually read the terms of the permits AND James315s actual manifesto (which supercedes the permits), you will see there are so many loopholes and clauses that any Agent can and will take action against you anyways if they so wish, regardless of whether you have a permit or not.

Before I reply I want to say that my opinions in this post do not necessarily reflect those of the entire NO organization or official doctrine.
At no point does the new order actually force people to stop playing. In fact we give targets an easy way out. Eve had a low retention rate of new players before the New Order existed, and continues to do so now. When talking about the new order, people often forget that we are players too. We enjoy hunting targets. We want people to interfere with us and give us a challenge. What makes a high sec miner's playstyle more valid than a gankers? Because they don't interact with other players? Because they "mind their own business"? In an MMO neither of these reasons should be rewarded. They have elected to play a multi-player game, that means they have to deal with other players in both a positive and negative capacity. We just happen to be the negative. There are many other organizations that support miners and can teach them to defend themselves.

The point of this is that in eve, any playstyle is valid as long as a player can defend themselves. In high sec this is easier to do than it is in low sec due to concord, just as in low sec it is easier to do than it is in null or womrhole space due to gate and station guns. The key to all of this is that miners are opponents, not victims, or at least they should be. As a ganker I lose a 10 million isk ship on every gank regardless of success. Make my ganks unsuccessful, and I can promise you you will probably be left alone unless you mouth off and convince me to come back with a larger fleet.

The only way I will ever see your argument is valid is if you can demonstrate a case where a solo ganker is capable of taking down a miner without anything the miner can do about it. I have yet to see such a case.

So in answer to your question, yes, forcing players to work together is good for eve.

New Order weren't an extortion racket, they were a comedy troupe.

They were never worth anything. I almost feel sorry for the people who were silly enough to get one. Almost.....

Mining permits are bullshit, don't buy them.

anyone trying to convince you to do so is only trying to get you to give them isk for free.

They have always been worthless.
It's a scam. Thinking that a protection racket keeps you safe just stupid.

Then again. Eve is filled with stupid people.

Most ganks are not undertaken by the new order, the new order can't protect you from these gankers, hence a permit is not really worthwhile.

You are better of spending 10 million isk tanking your barge. Either way the new order wins, as you either mine at less than optimum efficiency or you don't mine at all.

I have never ganked a CODE-compliant miner, among the hundreds of mining ships I have euthanized.

So you're saying three different groups of players visited player-made content on him? That's pretty neat.

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