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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#181 - 2011-11-30 01:24:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
Font is not unreadable

Font is ugly

in 100% its ugly
in 90% its ok but chat tabs are ugly
chat tabs don't scale with the context box point size (rather they don't have their own control)

impossible to strike a balance

2880x900 (2 x 1440x900) full screen
Markis Silvairi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#182 - 2011-11-30 01:26:10 UTC
How can you have spreadsheets online with no text options? :p
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#183 - 2011-11-30 01:27:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Closest match to pre-crucible font / window size settings can be obtained by using 90% scaling (from esc menu) + small font option (from overview settings). However some text areas become too small and for example reading how many items are in stacks could be little tricky on smaller monitors. Nothing you couldn't live with though.

Using 100% scaling you may encounter some problems fitting all your windows as they were (in space).


90% scaling makes things like your gun icon's ammo count numbers look like ****.


Yep... Like I said - that is one of the side effects of this.

The root cause is that the default font size was increased making many windows little bigger. Default font should have been same size than the old font keeping old windows intact. Scaling should have been used only to make standard windows together with the standard font bigger.

Anyways... 90% + small font in overview makes the thing usable. You can always hover over stacks to get some clarification about the amounts in them.


"Excellence"

Yep... they were in horrible hurry and certain decisions may seem rather odd afterwards. This one mentioned above was probably because they didn't know that they are going to scale the windows when the new default font size was decided. When they finally noticed the problems that appeared when scaling downwards, it was way too late to fix the damage.

To clarifly - the scaling was pretty much added in epic rush as an extra feature because so many people were unable to get their space UI to fit all the windows as pre-crucible.

We can only hope that this among with some other issues will be looked into again with better time in near future.

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Psychophantic
#184 - 2011-11-30 01:28:55 UTC
A fixed width font would look good in a game that involves you looking at multiple columns of numbers.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#185 - 2011-11-30 01:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
Psychophantic wrote:
A fixed width font would look good in a game that involves you looking at multiple columns of numbers.

Yes I agree.
Not having fixed width numbers is one of the "other issues".

edit:
Actually this seems to be fixed in latest release. Didn't even notice because wasn't doing any marketing yesterday.
Wonderful. Fixed width numbers are there. Another great fix.

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Flex Carter
Caldari Independant Mining Association
#186 - 2011-11-30 01:34:08 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Font is not unreadable

Font is ugly

in 100% its ugly
in 90% its ok but chat tabs are ugly
chat tabs don't scale with the context box point size (rather they don't have their own control)

impossible to strike a balance

2880x900 (2 x 1440x900) full screen


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Lumadane
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#187 - 2011-11-30 01:40:44 UTC
This is just my opinion, but the new font is terrible. My ammo counters are hardly readable now at 1920x1080 resolution on a 24" monitor.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#188 - 2011-11-30 01:44:07 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:
Hazzard wrote:
The font is ok but it doesn't scale. On a 30" monitor or greater it looks like it was created for the elderly. After UI scaling it's better but then it bleeds into other characters badly. Needs to scale better.


Yes, I have a 37' monitor, and I feel like i am in an old folks home. LOL

I can read "You have been Warp scrambled" from my kitchen as I beg my wife to make something.


No you don't.

You have a 37" TV without a tuner that you call a monitor. It has worse resolution than a proper 22" monitor so of course it looks like a old folks UI.

Because it's crap!

On my 27" and 30" monitors the font is just fine. Mind you I have a proper native resolution on them not 720 or1080 TV resolutions.

Get a real monitor and then come back and complain and maybe someone will take you seriously.

Mr Epeen Cool
bonoMonsterK
Perkone
Caldari State
#189 - 2011-11-30 01:48:02 UTC
I would like to add that new font on resolution 1152x864 looks absolutely ridiculously , I feel like 80 year old . Font is big and ugly and after setting UI to 90% its even worse . I rly don't understand what was wrong with old font , I had not a single problem in 6 years.

I just hope u guys will do something about this madness, because u have to see that it's ugly^2 .
Vachir Khan
Rugged Ruff and Ready
#190 - 2011-11-30 01:50:43 UTC
The new font has a whiff of Comic Sans over it, it doesn't look "industrial" enough to fit within EVE imo. It's nicely readable and all that but there are some scaling issues with windows and columns. I'm sure after a while it'll grow on me but I do think it looks very out of place in a scifi spaceship game that takes itself seriously.
The Marketer
Secure IT
#191 - 2011-11-30 02:01:50 UTC
Forcing a font is so dumb idea.

In 2012 (almost) let us choose such thing. Most of us have large screens. Forcing us to stretch windows when large screen usually helps us deal with more but smaller windows is a TERRIBLE idea.

Come on....
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#192 - 2011-11-30 02:03:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Barakkus wrote:
Posted it in the other thread, this is the font they should have used, but I know too many people would QQ over it...
http://www.ffonts.net/Bank-Gothic-Light-BT.font

I use this for every part of windows whenever I set up a new machine, have for the last 10 years or so. I love it.

It's not a good font. There is no proper distinction between capital and lower-case letters aside from size. Proper lower-case letters are far easier to read than upper-case ones (more distinguishing cues, so less information needed to process, so quicker to read). It also falls into the same trap as the old font, with very little or even no distinction between similarly shaped glyphs (O0, B8, 5S), which gets increasingly worse at lower sizes.

It looks neat, but is horrid for readability.
Vin Ott wrote:
How come ccp decided to change the font?
Because it was a bad one and people have been clamouring for a change for many years now. The old one was far from perfect and had a huge number of readability issues. It didn't react well to being resized and offered zero differentiation between glyphs. You would have had to be blind not to notice these problems.
Vachir Khan wrote:
The new font has a whiff of Comic Sans over it, it doesn't look "industrial" enough to fit within EVE imo.
It looks like a terminal font, which is about as (retro)futuristic as it gets… Twisted

At 2560×1440 / 90% scaling, the font is still completely readable in spite of the small size; for small resolutions and or long distances to the monitor, you can mix scaling and font size to match your needs. The old font was horrible at all resolutions and didn't offer any options to fix it.
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#193 - 2011-11-30 02:05:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Bubanni
I guess what most of us would like to hear is this isn't the final result, and they are working to improve it asap.
Those of us effected by this font, who are subject to the very real headaches it gives.. proberly would like to also hear it will be fixed before summer, not just soon... :p i love eve too much to quit over a stupid font...

Main problems, its too big... its too wide, it doesn't even fit in the ui as you say it does (look at ammo number under guns), its forcing the ui to actually have less space than before unless you scale by 90%.

Old font had few letters and numbers that were hard to tell apart, but this is kinda worse until you make it scale better :p... just acknowledge you see the problems we are shoving in your faces, and you plan to improve it :D and im sure many of us will be happy

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Internet Knight
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#194 - 2011-11-30 02:06:00 UTC
Hammez Coopez wrote:
Why, Oh Why have they messed with the Fonts. Couldnt find the default Font Check Box.

hmmmmmmm

Can't find the reason your capitalization is random.
Lexa Hellfury
Perkone
Caldari State
#195 - 2011-11-30 02:06:22 UTC
Congratulations CCP on finding the only font in the universe shittier than the old one.
Vachir Khan
Rugged Ruff and Ready
#196 - 2011-11-30 02:09:03 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Vachir Khan wrote:
The new font has a whiff of Comic Sans over it, it doesn't look "industrial" enough to fit within EVE imo.
It looks like a terminal font, which is about as (retro)futuristic as it gets… Twisted


You can give it any name you like but that doesn't change the fact that it looks out of place in EVE. It's too cartoony and doesn't mesh well with the "spreadsheet" look of the game itself.

Personally I never had any problems with the old font (mostly because I don't have a ****** monitor and I don't jack it up to silly resolutions) but I will agree that the font could use a change, this however is not a good change.
The Marketer
Secure IT
#197 - 2011-11-30 02:10:26 UTC
Lexa Hellfury wrote:
Congratulations CCP on finding the only font in the universe shittier than the old one.


Nice one
Talthrus
EdgeGamers
#198 - 2011-11-30 02:10:32 UTC
I am finding the numbers particularly hard to read. Everything is bigger but the text certainly isn't easier to read.
Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#199 - 2011-11-30 02:11:15 UTC
Internet Knight wrote:
Hammez Coopez wrote:
Why, Oh Why have they messed with the Fonts. Couldnt find the default Font Check Box.

hmmmmmmm

Can't find the reason your capitalization is random.


It is more readable than CCP's new font.
Amber Green Thorn
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#200 - 2011-11-30 02:12:05 UTC
Vachir Khan wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Vachir Khan wrote:
The new font has a whiff of Comic Sans over it, it doesn't look "industrial" enough to fit within EVE imo.
It looks like a terminal font, which is about as (retro)futuristic as it gets… Twisted


You can give it any name you like but that doesn't change the fact that it looks out of place in EVE. It's too cartoony and doesn't mesh well with the "spreadsheet" look of the game itself.

Personally I never had any problems with the old font (mostly because I don't have a ****** monitor and I don't jack it up to silly resolutions) but I will agree that the font could use a change, this however is not a good change.



Agree - It's not slick like what was the point of the old font.