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CCP write of $21.4M worth of code - Taking bets on whats been killed

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2014-03-18 17:54:17 UTC
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
Too bad it's not http://evevalkyrie.com/

What a waste of resources.

People saying this really pisses me off.
When Valkyrie was first put on display everyone that I saw had very high praise for it and begged CCP to make an actual game of it.
CCP is doing so and more often I'm seeing people complain that they're spending the time to develop the game they wanted to have made. It's disgusting.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2014-03-18 17:56:38 UTC
The $21 million means something.
You have no idea what it means.
I have no idea what it means.
Stop talking about it until you do.
Same with this "fifth project".

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Qalix
Long Jump.
#43 - 2014-03-18 18:05:46 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The $21 million means something.
You have no idea what it means.
I have no idea what it means.
Stop talking about it until you do.
Same with this "fifth project".

Yes, SIR! We'll stop posting when you do.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#44 - 2014-03-18 18:11:39 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The $21 million means something.
You have no idea what it means.
I have no idea what it means.
Stop talking about it until you do.
Same with this "fifth project".



A bit excessive on the tears man, buck up....

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Hehaw Jimbojohnson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#45 - 2014-03-18 18:14:40 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
Too bad it's not http://evevalkyrie.com/

What a waste of resources.

People saying this really pisses me off.
When Valkyrie was first put on display everyone that I saw had very high praise for it and begged CCP to make an actual game of it.
CCP is doing so and more often I'm seeing people complain that they're spending the time to develop the game they wanted to have made. It's disgusting.


I doubt most people realized it was going to be a Rift exclusive when they were praising it. Back then, most people probably didn't even know what a Rift was.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-03-18 18:15:22 UTC
Based on what I have gleamed working for one of those Fortune 500 companies, perhaps that loss is not really a loss in how we common folks interpret it. Since I did not look at their financial sheet, I will make up numbers to state what might have happened.

Beginning of 2013, the CEO states that if the plans follow through for the year, the company will generate 50 million in profits. At the end of 2013, after expenses, failures, and other write-offs are deducted, the overall profits are only 29 million. Thus from the proposed 50 million minus the 29 million in true profits, a "loss" of 21 million is noted. Thus for 2014, and potentially future plans, that 21 million "loss" would have to be reconfigured into the spreadsheets and plans adjusted accordingly.

Again, I could be wrong, but doubtful CCP is 21 million in the hole right now.
Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#47 - 2014-03-18 18:17:30 UTC
K, obviously I struck a nerve.

I'll elaborate - A game being made as a spin-off from a game that already caters to a niche audience. This game requires specific hardware that I'd venture to guess 2-5% of PC gamers actually own, and that number won't grow too much. That's great, if the 50 people that own an Occulus Rift have a blast with Valkyrie, good for them. You can be blind fanboys and say this is going to be groundbreaking. Newsflash : It won't be. The glaring majority of video gamers will never even know what Valkyrie is by the time it eventually floats down the shitter.

From a business perspective - Good luck, CCP. You are investing in a shiny toy that is in absolutely no way accessible to the average gamer.

From a die-hard Gamers' perspective, sure, it looks great. Will I lay down whatever the cost is for an OR to play it? Hell no.

The problem is, there won't be enough hardcore gamers to give them an ROI.

Waste of resources, I will say again, because they should be working on keeping the existing base happy, not expanding to territories that are destined for failure.

But yeah, wow Valkyrie OMG SO COOL bla bla bla
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#48 - 2014-03-18 18:23:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
This game requires specific hardware that I'd venture to guess 2-5% of PC gamers actually own, and that number won't grow too much.
So what you're saying is that Valkyrie will easily have several millon customers since it will probably be a marquee title for the platform, which means that revenues could be somewhere in the region of $100M.
Lady Zarrina
New Eden Browncoats
#49 - 2014-03-18 18:25:05 UTC
Wasn't there a press release or article mentioning WoD was basically reset. Perhaps thay had thought they had 20 mil worth of assets?

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Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#50 - 2014-03-18 18:28:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Wulfgar WarHammer
Tippia wrote:
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
This game requires specific hardware that I'd venture to guess 2-5% of PC gamers actually own, and that number won't grow too much.
So what you're saying is that Valkyrie will easily have several millon customers since it will probably be a marquee title for the platform, which means that revenues could be somewhere in the region of $100M.


What I'm saying is that I am throwing random percentages out of my ass.

But the point I am trying to make is that they are targeting a niche audience out of a niche audience, and asking that niche of the niche to lay down 500$ in hardware to play it.

Once some of you start spending your own money instead of your parents, like the rest of us do, you'll realize that spending 500$ on computer games, when it could go to your kids, house, retirement, etc, is a ridiculous proposition.

If the game would target a broader market, it would be a better investment for CCP. That is all I'm saying.

inb4 - yeah im all jelly because im poor.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2014-03-18 18:34:48 UTC
Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
Too bad it's not http://evevalkyrie.com/

What a waste of resources.

People saying this really pisses me off.
When Valkyrie was first put on display everyone that I saw had very high praise for it and begged CCP to make an actual game of it.
CCP is doing so and more often I'm seeing people complain that they're spending the time to develop the game they wanted to have made. It's disgusting.


I doubt most people realized it was going to be a Rift exclusive when they were praising it. Back then, most people probably didn't even know what a Rift was.

They knew exactly what it was and exactly what it was being designed for.
If they didn't realize the game was made to work with Rift then they're idiots because that's practically everything about how it was presented.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
#52 - 2014-03-18 18:36:47 UTC
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
Once some of you start spending your own money instead of your parents, like the rest of us do, you'll realize that spending 500$ on computer games, when it could go to your kids, house, retirement, etc, is a ridiculous proposition.

If the game would target a broader market, it would be a better investment for CCP. That is all I'm saying.

inb4 - yeah im all jelly because im poor.



Some people buy golf clubs or new cars with their extra money, some people buy computers and video games. Rift doesn't cost more than a lot of tablets nowdays. So claiming that only people living off their parents will buy them is disingenuous.



Also, your insult followed by "All I'm saying is this other thing, so don't insult me back" is childish.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2014-03-18 18:39:23 UTC
Lucine Delacourt wrote:

Some people buy golf clubs or new cars with their extra money, some people buy computers and video games.

Comparing EVE to golf... where have I read that before?

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Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#54 - 2014-03-18 18:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Wulfgar WarHammer
Lucine Delacourt wrote:
Some people buy golf clubs or new cars with their extra money, some people buy computers and video games.


Absolutely agree.

But when I bought my golf clubs, I could GO OUT AND PLAY GOLF. I didn't have to buy a specific club to only play one hole. If I would be forced to do that, I wouldn't play golf.

You cannot compare the two.

Think of your golf set as your computer, and the occulus rift like a pair of laser glasses that let you get hole in one's on every par 3.

You don't need the damn glasses, and most people will never bother, but a few hardcore golfers will buy them for sure. Will there be enough hardcore golfers to make those glasses profitable for the company that made them? Maybe, maybe not.

And to bring this even further - What if a certain course required you to use those glasses, and all the other golf courses in the vicinity did not?

Which course do you think would have more customers?

Arline Kley wrote:
You realise that you don't actually need the OR to play the game? Its also like you don't need a gamepad to play GTA's PC ports: It makes the game easier to use, but isn't an absolute requirement. Plus Valkyrie is stated to have joystick support from the get go - I asked the Valkyrie devs this in person at the CCP meet in London.


I did not know this, and it is a step in the right direction.
Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2014-03-18 18:42:35 UTC
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:

But the point I am trying to make is that they are targeting a niche audience out of a niche audience, and asking that niche of the niche to lay down 500$ in hardware to play it.

If the game would target a broader market, it would be a better investment for CCP. That is all I'm saying.


You realise that you don't actually need the OR to play the game? Its also like you don't need a gamepad to play GTA's PC ports: It makes the game easier to use, but isn't an absolute requirement. Plus Valkyrie is stated to have joystick support from the get go - I asked the Valkyrie devs this in person at the CCP meet in London.

I also saw people who had never heard or played of EVE before having a go and actually enjoying it, especially from that Valkyrie is slated (subject to change I must vehemently add) to be one of the 10 launch titles of the Oculus Rift.

People will play Valkyrie - it has numerous markets tagged already, rather than just the Nerds that play EVE Online.

"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#56 - 2014-03-18 18:42:45 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
Too bad it's not http://evevalkyrie.com/

What a waste of resources.

Fck you, Valkyrie is awesome.

Even if your (incorrect) position is that the Valkyrie audience is far too niche, how can it possibly be worse than WoD whose target audience is angsty pre-teen girls whose attention has almost certainly switched to a new fad by now.

Edit: I mean seriously, the only way WoD will ever be viable is if it was released as a facebook game yesterday. Of the choices presented, how can Valkyrie possibly be worse than that?
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-03-18 18:43:29 UTC
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
But when I bought my golf clubs, I could GO OUT AND PLAY GOLF.

not cricket though
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#58 - 2014-03-18 18:49:21 UTC
With any luck and common sense, "DUST" will have been written off.

I suspect, however, it's "Incarna" and "WoD".... not that we're missing anything with "WoD".

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#59 - 2014-03-18 19:00:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
I'm planning on buying a Rift.

Because when I played Valkyrie the first time, it was awesome.
When I played it again at Vegas, it was even better.

And that was an old version.

Woo! CSM XI!

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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-03-18 19:10:59 UTC
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
But when I bought my golf clubs, I could GO OUT AND PLAY GOLF. I didn't have to buy a specific club to only play one hole. If I would be forced to do that, I wouldn't play golf.

You cannot compare the two.

Think of your golf set as your computer, and the occulus rift like a pair of laser glasses that let you get hole in one's on every par 3.

You don't need the damn glasses, and most people will never bother, but a few hardcore golfers will buy them for sure. Will there be enough hardcore golfers to make those glasses profitable for the company that made them? Maybe, maybe not.

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Award for worst comparison ever on the internet goes to you! Congratulations! Big smile

Also the virtual reality market is huge.

I disagree