Wormholes

This was brought up on Sky Fighters comms while we were talking to Proc Diadochu who is running for CSM, and I want to see what everyone thinks about it.

1. This Timer would only apply when using a wormhole to enter a K-space system with a +0.1 or higher security status.
2. Upon entering the system you get a new timer that I'll just call the "recalibration" timer. This timer lasts only 3 mins or other appropriately small amount of time.
3. This timer allows you to engage other pilots with the same timer in High/Low Sec systems with no consequences.
4. If you choose to engage someone you do get your 5 min limited engagement timer aswell.
5. The timer will expire immediately upon entering a station or using a stargate.
6. There would be no delay on pilots appearing in local chat.

The idea here is that when you come from a wormhole to k-space it takes a second for Concord to recognize that you have entered the system since you didn't use one of the stargates which would normally notify the security forces of your presence.

The reason why I would like a timer like this is to make high-sec games a little more interesting. I don't like someone just camping a high sec whole and being able to jump whenever they like with no consequences, so if you want to engage someone on one of those wormholes you have to be prepared to get off the wormhole as fast as possible before you are safe.

The only thing worse than station games is hisec wormhole games.

Interesting idea. Would that also work the other way around, like if you jump out of a kspace that it takes a while before `concord` notices you left?

I absolutely love this, it's a great idea. Really hope the current CSM can push this to CCP's attention if it isn't too late for them, it's something relatively small that would have a pretty big impact, fights on hisec exits will actually mean something now, it'll stop people just jumping to hisec when in deep armor.

The problem with this is that I don't want wormholes being used to get an unfair jump on pilots who have no intention of interacting with or are ignorant of wormholes.

The way I've explained it to myself is that while concord can instantly recognize that a particular pilot has entered a system, they can't necessarily get a lock on their location instantly without the help of a stargate, cyno, or station giving the location away.

Once they do finish getting a lock on you if they see you are in a fight with another pilot they were having trouble tracing they will just shrug and say "Guess they both wanted to fight".

Why not add a popup for people who first time jump into wspace which explains this mechanic ?
As far as i know in the old days of eve you even had a popupmessage when you jumped into lowsec for the first time

Not a bad solution they have popup warnings for other dangerous areas of space.

EVE online is a game of self-improvement. Mechanics don't just learn themself. You must make time for such knowledge.

I like this ethos of EVE online because it rewards those who work at it.

That doesn't mean tutorials and educational courses are not necessary. It means that there is an unknown world to be explored out there in New Eden. Some might want to tackle it with their own fresh perspective, while others may want to read an entire page of text before they begin their journey. The choice itself has beauty.

It also doesn't mean that we should leave newbies in the dark. Resources should be available. Players should clearly be able to discern the difference between types of space (low, null, high, J) for example. If newbies want danger, then they will go seek it. They do not need game mechanics to be designed for their sake.

imo its a waste of the game designers time. First off the issue is the same as its kspace version of people sitting on hisec gates in lowsec. There are already means of dealing with this with wardec mechanics. Would also like to hear your view on some issues it would raise:
Can you dock while timer is active or use gates?
Can everyone engage you, even those who have been sitting in hisec all the time or just people following you through wh?

I see your wish for more engagements, but I think we would be better off having devs using more time on something else than something like this that in the end will not give us more content.

Yes. Did you even read my post?







No. You can not camp the high sec entrance to a wormhole and expect to get an easy gank because only people exiting the wormhole have the right to engage each other. Nothing is stopping you from camping the other side of the wormhole and following someone through. The only thing that will change is that you'll have to treat high sec connections like any normal connection and worry about fast tackle getting you.

Also remember the timer is suppose to be short. After it expires only people who engaged you before it ended will be allowed to continue to fight you with their limited engagement timers, so someone can't hold you forever and call for backup.



Wormholes have fewer timer then K-space at the moment. That's not really a good argument.



The current problem here is that fighting on a high sec exit is almost a 100% safe activity. The only dangers you face is being alpha'd or bumped off the hole. Camping gates in K-space still have a risk because of the one minute weapons timer. This kind of camp just seems too low risk for the potential reward.