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Trying to pull together ideas the majority wouldn't hate.

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Billy Hix
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1 - 2014-03-17 13:09:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Billy Hix
OK I know this is going to be an impossible task. I know everyone in WH space is a special snowflake and by definition we will never all agree on anything. So I am going to try a different approach.

A list of things that wouldn't destroy WH space and might make things a little better.

1 - Alliance Bookmarks
2 - A way to name your system
3 - Personal Ship Hangers
4 - Fix Roles and POS

Are there any other changes we could actually put towards CCP that wouldn't involve one half of the WH community saying yes and the other half saying it would destroy WHs forever?

It doesn't matter if its a tiny little thing. It just needs to be uncontroversial.

Think small
Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-03-17 13:45:52 UTC
Billy Hix wrote:
OK I know this is going to be an impossible task. I know everyone in WH space is a special snowflake and by definition we will never all agree on anything. So I am going to try a different approach.

A list of things that wouldn't destroy WH space and might make things a little better.

1 - Alliance Bookmarks
2 - A way to name your system
3 - Personal Ship Hangers
4 - Fix Roles and POS

Are there any other changes we could actually put towards CCP that wouldn't involve one half of the WH community saying yes and the other half saying it would destroy WHs forever?

It doesn't matter if its a tiny little thing. It just needs to be uncontroversial.

Think small


1 - Yes
2 - Our hole changes names hourly, so it's likely we'd break the system
3 - You don't need these if...
4 - CCP does this.



Also: unnecessary quote FTW.

Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful. http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/

Billy Hix
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3 - 2014-03-17 13:53:59 UTC
So basically the only things we can agree on in WHs POS/Roles and Alliance bookmarks.

No wonder CCP doesn't show us any love. If we can't even agree on what we want to have looked at then why would CCP waste Dev time knowing that it will **** off as many as it makes happy :-)

I guess we have got what we asked for :-)
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#4 - 2014-03-17 14:35:20 UTC
Stront Siphon
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-03-17 16:31:26 UTC
Billy Hix wrote:
So basically the only things we can agree on in WHs POS/Roles and Alliance bookmarks.

No wonder CCP doesn't show us any love. If we can't even agree on what we want to have looked at then why would CCP waste Dev time knowing that it will **** off as many as it makes happy :-)

I guess we have got what we asked for :-)



Its not that we don't need them, its that by this point I don't think I trust CCP anymore. Over a year ago we had multiple threadnaughts discussing POS changes, Two Step was trying to get the entire community behind his plan and CCP was even posting clarifications on the proposed changes. Well? Where is all that? Nothing has been done, POS mechanics are still broken and CCP has not published a single status report on their progress. At this rate NASA has a better chance of putting a man on Mars then CCP does in fixing the POS mechanics.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-03-17 17:01:18 UTC
Billy Hix wrote:
So basically the only things we can agree on in WHs POS/Roles and Alliance bookmarks.

No wonder CCP doesn't show us any love. If we can't even agree on what we want to have looked at then why would CCP waste Dev time knowing that it will **** off as many as it makes happy :-)

I guess we have got what we asked for :-)



LOL. Are you serious? You post a half assed 4 point post. One guy replies and basically agrees with 3 of the 4, and you go to crying foul. And I guess you still expect people to even take this seriously?

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2014-03-17 17:32:51 UTC
Billy Hix wrote:
OK I know this is going to be an impossible task. I know everyone in WH space is a special snowflake and by definition we will never all agree on anything.


The generally accepted approach is to:

1) know what the hell you are talking about, and a good number of things about what you aren't talking about too.
2) propose ideas that are properly thought out given your knowledge of #1.

Most people don't make it past step 1.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-03-17 17:38:26 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Stront Siphon



10/10 would drop on corp towers.

Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful. http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/

Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#9 - 2014-03-17 17:47:14 UTC
I dont want alliance bookmarks. I want more corp bookmarks.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Evan Roc
Awakened Ones
#10 - 2014-03-17 19:28:30 UTC
How about a back button on D Scan. If I had a dollar for every time I hit it before I made note of a ship name or type and then it was gone.
hshshshshshshsh
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-03-17 19:41:12 UTC
Alliance bookmarks arent possible with the way Alliances are coded.
Naming the systems seems like a waste of Dev hours compared to all the other stuff they could be doing..
Personal storage belongs in K-space - Theft is part of the game
Fixing roles is a better solution to the above, would def. like this.

So.. 1/4 I can agree on :3
Justin Cody
War Firm
#12 - 2014-03-17 20:28:53 UTC
Billy Hix wrote:
So basically the only things we can agree on in WHs POS/Roles and Alliance bookmarks.

No wonder CCP doesn't show us any love. If we can't even agree on what we want to have looked at then why would CCP waste Dev time knowing that it will **** off as many as it makes happy :-)

I guess we have got what we asked for :-)



wait... let me get this straight. You come up with four things that YOU think we SHOULD agree on. And when we agree on two...you come out and say that it all falls apart because we don't agree on only half. Project much? Also its a logical fallacy. Alliance bookmarks are nice but it leaves you even more open to the meta-game than corp bookmarks do. Sure it would be *nice* but not until the entire roles system is re-done so we can have tiers of roles by location and rank/position.

Until then CCP has released a nice work-around which is an increase to corp sizes. Go the mega-corp route for now. That should solve your issues. You can be a 1 corp alliance...we are.

Anyhow CCP will not *waste time* on listening to a sociopath such as yourself. Go off and cry in the corner knowing that no one loves you because they don't agree with your contrivances 100% of the time.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-03-17 20:30:09 UTC
I'll go with 3 and 4.
that said, neither have anything to do with WHs since theyre both global POS/role changes so stop bringing them up in terms of WHs and go talk about them on the features and ideas forums.

alliance bookmarks also have nothing to do with WHs and would have far bigger impact in kspace.

this is the first time im hearing about naming your system. i think the idea is stupid, especially since you cant do it in kspace either.

There is no Bob.

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Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#14 - 2014-03-17 20:48:08 UTC
my list :-)
1 - Pos fuel hauler
2 - Drag and drop bookmarks. (postable into chat, eve mail, maybe even third party sites)
3 - Fix pos setup/teardown process. (online/offline queue, better gui for placing mods)
4 - Some better POS sharing mechanics than divisions

I wouldnt mid if posters changes are implemented but they are pretty irelevant to me.
RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#15 - 2014-03-17 21:20:56 UTC
EVE is designed to make pain in the ass. u want better POS control interface? Forget it. U want bookmarks? Forget it. Some other simple interface issues? Don't even dream about it. They've spent years to make 'new' dscan, folks u rly think they care about ur wishes? Cmon, open ur eyes, look around, eve gate start page showing news from 2012. If u enjoy the game now- good for u, if u feel pain-welcome to eve.
Billy Hix
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#16 - 2014-03-17 21:57:03 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
LOL. Are you serious? You post a half assed 4 point post. One guy replies and basically agrees with 3 of the 4, and you go to crying foul. And I guess you still expect people to even take this seriously?


I am never anything less than serious. My every waking thought is driven by my need to impress everyone on the WH forum. My life would have no meaning if I didn't have not only your admiration but also total obedience :-)

Maybe the first reply did come across a little pedantic, I guess I was trying to highlight the automatic reaction we all have which is to attack and pull down (yes I know we only do it for righteous reasons). As you kindly brought into focus with your enthusiasm to dive right into the personal attacks :-)

Of course it was a half assed list. Keeping it to the core ones that the vast majority 'seem' to always put forward as things they would like to see changed. I don't think I have ever seen an original(ish) idea that hasn't been torn to shreds within a few hours at best.

Are there any updates that people could agree on?
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-03-17 22:24:05 UTC
Billy Hix wrote:
Are there any updates that people could agree on?

outside of non WH specific POS changes? no.
which is a very good indicator that WH changes are not needed.

There is no Bob.

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Scarlet Khardula
Mining Industry Exile Foundation
Synergy of Steel
#18 - 2014-03-17 22:43:37 UTC
The last months a lot about alliance bookmarks was written. Here my 2 cents.

I'm in a small corp and 250 bookmarks are still not enough for a day with multiple scouts. Alliance bookmarks will be the same expect for large groups. In addidtion there is a risk in alliance bookmarks.

I think fleet bookmarks with the possibility to drag in and out to or from corp or personal bookmarks are the way to go. They have to disappear when the fleet is closed. I think this would be a great feature for all kind of groups especially mixed ones.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-03-17 23:27:56 UTC
Billy Hix wrote:
Maybe the first reply did come across a little pedantic, I guess I was trying to highlight the automatic reaction we all have which is to attack and pull down (yes I know we only do it for righteous reasons). As you kindly brought into focus with your enthusiasm to dive right into the personal attacks :-)


HAHA. Highlight the reaction...

Your first reply was post #3. It was based on only ONE other reply to your thread. A reply that basically agreed with 3 of the 4 items you put forth (lets face it 3 and 4 are kinda linked). IE 75% agreement.

Your reply didn't come across as pedantic. Your first reply came across as something you had planned before anyone even spoke. It doesn't even match up with the one reply you had gotten.


OP- everyone I am going to say something. I doubt anyone is going to agree with me
First reply- I pretty much agree with you
OP- See! nobody agrees with

Oh wait...
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#20 - 2014-03-18 00:19:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Morningstar
Let me try

1 Extend the within forcefield range to include running the labs and accessing the ship maint bay also not just inventory

2 The previously stated back button on d-scan

3 A marker on the fleet window for if a fleet member is in system, since we do not have local that would make it easier to see if our people are in system without as much work

4 A slot in the pos itself that can be used to store all bpo's and allow any lab to run jobs from the bpo in the pos.

5 A faster sort for bpo in the manufacturing and invention system if 4 is enforced it would likely make this easy

6 Make the lines in pi react to the color of the background, ie on a ice planet make the link lines and activity a easy to see red instead of the very hard to see light blue the other planets are not a issue and should keep the blue.

7 To be useful the mimismo should be able to do both ore and mineral and the the other one should be changed to ice and ice products.

Again this has more to do with thing used in but not exclusive to wh. So I agree with the prior poster wh as they are are good though there is one I would like to see specific to wh.

8 add more items to the game that would use wh salvage and be used a lot outside of wh like the tech 3 hauler that would have a selectable cargo hold type. Or t2 capital modules wouldn't that be interesting of t2 capital turrets or ammo needed nano-ribbons or fullerites. We need items that will increase the demand on the loot as it is taking a nose dive currently.
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