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Solo PVP among larger class ships?

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Orpheus Nyberg
I hate NPC Corp TAX
#1 - 2014-03-16 21:30:12 UTC
I'm still fairly new to Eve and I just was curious if there is ever much 1v1 PVP among the large size ships like Cruisers, Battlecruisers, and Battleships. I have seen plenty of discussion about frigate and destroyer 1v1 fights, fittings, etc. but not anything besides that. If this is a somewhat occurring matter, where does it usually happen as far as security zones? Also any other information relative to this subject would interest me as well.

Thanks for reading.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2014-03-16 21:33:01 UTC
Orpheus Nyberg wrote:
I'm still fairly new to Eve and I just was curious if there is ever much 1v1 PVP among the large size ships like Cruisers, Battlecruisers, and Battleships. I have seen plenty of discussion about frigate and destroyer 1v1 fights, fittings, etc. but not anything besides that. If this is a somewhat occurring matter, where does it usually happen as far as security zones? Also any other information relative to this subject would interest me as well.

Thanks for reading.

Cruisers, yes. It's not very common with Battlecruisers (other than Command Ships) and almost unheard of with Battleships - especially with the new warp mechanics. At least for solo PvP.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2014-03-16 21:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Cruisers yes. That is a common solo PvP class of ship.

Above that less so but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-03-16 21:34:20 UTC
I get shot at by Tengus and Legions in Losec on a regular basis.

The 'nado is the ship of preference for ganking freighters, but you also see them solo.


You do not see a lot of solo Battleships outside highsec though.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#5 - 2014-03-16 21:34:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Cruisers yes. That is a common solo PvP class of shop.

Above that less so but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.


I would say cruiser solo PvP is more common that destroyer solo PvP, but don't have figures to back that up.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-03-16 21:35:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugia3
Yes.

All hail the Cynabal.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-03-16 21:36:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Cruisers yes. That is a common solo PvP class of shop.

Above that less so but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.


I would say cruiser solo PvP is more common that destroyer solo PvP, but don't have figures to back that up.


Depends if you count a Tengu as a cruiser I suppose :D Though drone Vexors are becoming more a thing.,
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2014-03-16 21:40:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Depends if you count a Tengu as a cruiser I suppose :D Though drone Vexors are becoming more a thing.,

Yep. Strategic Cruiser.

I'm including T1, T2 and T3 in that suggestion.

Of course, 'solo' is also open to wide interpretation that is a separate discussion.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-03-16 21:50:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
But back to the OP

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

It would be really cool, I agree. To hear about the epic 1v1s of real confident, brave men each wagering large percentages of themselves on the outcome of their efforts. .. . But that's simply not the case in this game. If they lose their 1v1 in a high stakes wager such as a battleship, well then they can't say they "didn't care" and it might potentially make them look like a "loser" when in reality they're a winner for having the balls to do what everyone else is too afraid to even attempt.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#10 - 2014-03-16 21:53:46 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Removed quoting of an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

The problem isn't solo PvP in a battleship, it's that you'll almost never get a 1:1 fight. More often than not you'll instead be tackled by an interceptor then dogpiled. Which is why you'll almost never see battleships outside of fleets or missioning in high-sec.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-03-16 22:01:10 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
*Snip* Removed quoting of an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

The problem isn't solo PvP in a battleship, it's that you'll almost never get a 1:1 fight. More often than not you'll instead be tackled by an interceptor then dogpiled. Which is why you'll almost never see battleships outside of fleets or missioning in high-sec.


So since everyone is afraid all the time because they think everyone else is going to cheat by bringing in others, no one is willing to take a risk as a 1v1 pilot in an expensive battleship.

Which means that when it does happen, it becomes a spectacle. So it comes down to since everyone is weak and afraid, none of them are willing to stand on their own and man up.

EvE has turned into an excuse factory where instead of coming up with reasons why you should do something, you spend all day coming up with reasons why you should not do something.

Man up. Or are you afraid of losing some pixels?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#12 - 2014-03-16 22:05:17 UTC
For cruisers, yes. They can possess the speed necessary to solo worth a damn. And that's the trick, really, speed.

When you're going to solo, you want to be able to pick your fights, and engage in situations favorable to you. Speed is the attribute that allows you to do this. As you move higher up the ship size classes, speed is almost always sacrificed for raw power and hitpoints.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#13 - 2014-03-16 22:05:44 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
So since everyone is afraid all the time because they think everyone else is going to cheat by bringing in others, no one is willing to take a risk as a 1v1 pilot in an expensive battleship.

Which means that when it does happen, it becomes a spectacle. So it comes down to since everyone is weak and afraid, none of them are willing to stand on their own and man up.

EvE has turned into an excuse factory where instead of coming up with reasons why you should do something, you spend all day coming up with reasons why you should not do something.

Man up. Or are you afraid of losing some pixels?

Do you even have a clue what you're talking about?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
RRNL
Perkone
#14 - 2014-03-16 22:06:59 UTC
my black op sais yes
Zack Korth
Livid CO.
#15 - 2014-03-16 22:13:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Divine Entervention wrote:

EvE has turned into an excuse factory where instead of coming up with reasons why you should do something, you spend all day coming up with reasons why you should not do something.

Man up. Or are you afraid of losing some pixels?


you're absolutely right, let me have 400 million ISK for something i need, don't give me reasons why you can't or won't do it, just think about why you can.


Edit: Fixed quoting. ISD Ezwal.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-03-16 22:25:00 UTC
The "plain view for everyone to see" is that it doesn't happen anywhere near the possibility that it could happen.

Because it could happen, yet it does not, it's perfectly viable to reach the conclusion that it doesn't happen because people are afraid of taking the risk.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-03-16 22:26:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Real men solo in Supers and Titans :D

Battleships and other subcaps are for big girls blouses.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-03-16 22:48:49 UTC
CCP should rename Battleships.

New players get far too obsessed by them.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#19 - 2014-03-16 23:18:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Thread re-opened.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-03-17 00:05:23 UTC
What can we do as a community to foster an environment where people aren't afraid to take risks and are willing to man up and fly those battleships solo looking for other solo battleships to fight?

Should we promote honor? Should CCP offer some kind of incentive for taking risks, like spotlighting the aftermath of their adventures with EvE news reports, leading to some sort of notoriety for those who prove they are willing to take on daunting challenges that the majority of the player base proves it's unwilling to do?

What do we, as a community need to do to increase the frequency of solo battleship pilots flying without help in hostile space looking for a fight to prove they're better and braver than everyone else?
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