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On the Subject of Electronic Attack Frigates. Again. And Again. And...

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#1 - 2011-11-28 19:19:01 UTC
I'm sure there will be some person that will step forward and state how wonderful the Sentinel is. However, these ships are some of the least flown ships in the game. They were designed during the nano age when everything could get up to insane speeds. And they were thus broken by the nano nerf which was exactly three years ago. It's high time they get revisited.

Easy and Obvious:
Increase their lock range to that of their T1 counterparts. Really - to have a shorter lock range then the T1 hull is insulting.
Decrease their signature radius. 15m across the board would give the Hyena, Keres, Kitsune, and Sentinel radii of 36m, 40m, 43m and 38m respectively. That's pretty standard for frigates.

Poor bonuses and obsolete concepts:
The Keres and Kitsune have two bonuses to reduce cap useage. The Hyena and Sentinel both have one bonus related to cap conservation. This screams out for a universal role bonus - say a 30% cap recharge rate. This would free up space for bonuses geared more to survivability. The Hyena also has a signature reduction bonus that's based on the old interceptor bonus. That bonus was shown to be not so great after the nano nerf. The interceptors got a new bonus. The Hyena did not. Again this is an opportunity to tweak the ship bonuses.

I'd really like to see these ships get some love.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#2 - 2011-11-28 19:26:30 UTC
Sig and agility buff are needed to be honest.

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#3 - 2011-11-28 19:38:02 UTC
I'll use the Hyena as an example:

Frigate bonuses:
5% velocity increase per level.
7.5% TP per level

EAF Bonus:
20% Web range increase per level.
10% reduction in MWD sig penalty per level. This is a smaller version of the interceptor 15% per level bonus.

Role Bonus:
30% Capacitor recharge rate.

With a starting signature radius of 38m the Hyena would be 133m large when using a MWD II. A hell of alot more survivable.
m0cking bird
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-28 20:08:57 UTC
They all work and are useful. Play the game and stop complaining. Also! How many of you have been in frigate fleets? You must have used these ships @ that point, right!?

Keres and the Kitsune are the most useful I've found. Sentinel is ok solo and the heyna is useful in fleets, but not as much as a Keres or Kitsune.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#5 - 2011-11-28 20:13:07 UTC
I've flown the hyena to a great extent and had to put it down due to frustration. I tried putting an MSE on it. I die very quickly. I tried putting a 400mm plate on it. I die very quickly. I tried to super-nano it. I die very quickly. I wouldn't be complaining if I could pick it up for super cheap. But a 15 million isk ship should have some survivability.
m0cking bird
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-11-28 20:25:59 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I've flown the hyena to a great extent and had to put it down due to frustration. I tried putting an MSE on it. I die very quickly. I tried putting a 400mm plate on it. I die very quickly. I tried to super-nano it. I die very quickly. I wouldn't be complaining if I could pick it up for super cheap. But a 15 million isk ship should have some survivability.


Point taken!

Honestly though! All frigates even a Dramiel is easily popped if you're engaging in fleet combat. I'm assuming you're swarming battlecruiser fleets. Also! Logistics helps these fleets alot. Just one scimi or guardian.

They're just frigates and are pretty fragile.
m0cking bird
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-11-28 22:25:05 UTC
On second thought. Giving them the smallest signature radius of any frigate class would be interesting. Something extremely small! would give them something extremely useful compared to recons and make tracking them EXTREMELY difficult.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#8 - 2011-11-28 22:38:03 UTC
omg EXTREME.

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Marcus Henik
Rules of Acquisition
#9 - 2011-11-29 02:46:30 UTC
Yes, give eafs better lock range as well as tweaking pg and CPU, I have perfact fitting skills and still have trouble putting a viable fit togeather. I might throw one togeather for a frig gang, but u have to get way to close to last long. Get swarmed by drones as soon as someone gets a lock.
Shang Fei
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-29 21:43:58 UTC
give them cov cloaks and they'll be fine
The Thrill
#11 - 2011-11-29 23:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: The Thrill
m0cking bird wrote:
They all work


No.

The Kitsune still suffers from a typographical error on power grid.

It should be 36, check against the other class members and just do the module math - not enough power grid for a full fit.

The Sentinel? Note the drone bay size.

Do they work as EW ships? The Kitsune clearly does, the others have been nerfed by CCPs lust to wreck prior works.
Do they work in other ways... hehe

 Cruicible - oh noes, I like it!