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Making money in null sec, a lot harder than people think

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#121 - 2014-03-16 02:37:50 UTC
A friend told me he just didn't see how people made big ISK doing PI. The best he could manage was about 21 million ISK per day per planet. I reminded him that was over 3 billion ISK a month (with four level 4 skills). He was surprised; he didn't realize how much he was earning.

I was tempted to list out all the things the OP could be doing, and ask if he had tried any of them, but in my years in EVE have shown me that there are several ways to earn ISK (it is virtually raining ISK), and that there are two primary reasons why some people can't: they don't really try, or they can't be bothered and just want the ISK to appear in their wallet.
stoicfaux
#122 - 2014-03-16 02:40:20 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:

So considering that I can use money to buy plex to turn into isk, I can essentially "buy" an account, albeit with isk I got from plex that I bought with money.

So what's the point of you telling me I cannot buy an account within the confines of the EULA, when it's proven and understood between both of us that it is possible to buy an account within the confines of the EULA?

Again semantics. An "account" is owned by a "player." An "account" can have up to three "characters" associated with it. You are NOT buying an "account", instead you would be buying a "character" (aka performing a character transfer) with the desired skills from the Character Bazaar, if one is available.

Buying an account is "illegal." Character transfers are legal via the bazaar rules.


As for RMT: Yes, you can "buy" a character with real money via PLEX converted to in-game currency. However, if I were to sell the "stoicfaux" character (who can fly every sub-cap combat ship in the game plus dreads) to you for real money (several thousands USD at least) then you would run the risk of getting your entire "account" banned for "illegal" account selling if CCP found out about it (after I reported the account as "hacked" and assuming you couldn't sue me in RL.)


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#123 - 2014-03-16 02:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
So considering that I can use money to buy plex to turn into isk, I can essentially "buy" an account, albeit with isk I got from plex that I bought with money.

So what's the point of you telling me I cannot buy an account within the confines of the EULA, when it's proven and understood between both of us that it is possible to buy an account within the confines of the EULA?
No, you cannot buy an account. That is not legal under the EULA as I already wrote.

You can only buy characters and transfer them between accounts.


O well then sorry, You were addressing the specific word of "account". I didn't catch that. Multiple times throughout the thread I've stated character. Which even at the beginning of the thread was the original word I was using other than "account"

You are correct, I cannot "buy" an account, I think I started using that word because the last game I played was one where it was only one character per account, and I had just mentioned the EULA regarding account sharing in a another post.

I misinterpreted your position as focusing on paying money straight to the seller, rather than isk straight to the seller, when it's obvious now that you were correcting the word account instead of character.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#124 - 2014-03-16 02:49:23 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I see so many people saying that its so much easier making ISK in null sec than high sec with things like 100m an hour often banded around. However from my experience people seem to forget the amount of SP needed to make that kind of ISK. To get that kind of ISK from what I can tell you need a tech 2 fitted battleship at level 5 to achieve the 1000+ need to kill the rats fast enough. And to be honest not that many new players are going to be able to have that kind of ships around for years. I'm about 10 months into the game and even I don't have that kind of skills yet.

Best I can do in the drone regions is 15m ISK an hour and that's only because of there is a low sec level anomaly (drone herd) that I can handle. By the way I was making 15m ISK an hour in high sec with lvl 4 missions.

So my point is yes the ISK in null sec may be higher, but it requires a lot more skills than most new players are going to have.


You are probably right about the SP issue. But after that you make it hand over fist.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#125 - 2014-03-16 02:51:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Divine Entervention wrote:
O well then sorry, You were addressing the specific word of "account". I didn't catch that. Multiple times throughout the thread I've stated character. Which even at the beginning of the thread was the original word I was using other than "account"

You are correct, I cannot "buy" an account,....


The clarity was provided simply for the reason that if you are considering buying a character, but then go asking to buy someones account, that could get you in trouble, simple through wrong terminology and people taking the wording a face value.

If you are considering buying a character that can fly a dread, then 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose'.

Dreads aren't cheap and a new player buying a skilled character, still won't have the knowledge to survive long if others in game find out there is a lone dread flying around.

You stand to potentially lose a significant amount of ISK, which as a new character you can really only earn through the purchase of PLEX for real cash and selling them for the ISK. When the dread dies, it won't be reimbursed.
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2014-03-16 02:55:27 UTC
I love my Drone Regions for the simple fact that they generate threads like this Twisted
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#127 - 2014-03-16 02:58:57 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
O well then sorry, You were addressing the specific word of "account". I didn't catch that. Multiple times throughout the thread I've stated character. Which even at the beginning of the thread was the original word I was using other than "account"

You are correct, I cannot "buy" an account,....


The clarity was provided simply for the reason that if you are considering buying a character, but then go asking to buy someones account, that could get you in trouble, simple through wrong terminology and people taking the wording a face value.

If you are considering buying a character that can fly a dread, then 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose'.

Dreads aren't cheap and a new player buying a skilled character, still won't have the knowledge to survive long if others in game find out there is a lone dread flying around.

You stand to potentially lose a significant amount of ISK, which as a new character you can really only earn through the purchase of PLEX for real cash and selling them for the ISK. When the dread dies, it won't be reimbursed.


Thank you for looking out and making sure I don't accidentally present myself to be willing to break the rules.

I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to help me.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#128 - 2014-03-16 03:04:15 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Is Divine Entervention the worst new player in the history of EVE?


If he's not trolling, and the **** he says is actually sincere, he's simultaneously worse than both Harry Forever and Ace Uoweme at the same time.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#129 - 2014-03-16 03:04:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Tau Cabalander wrote:
A friend told me he just didn't see how people made big ISK doing PI. The best he could manage was about 21 million ISK per day per planet. I reminded him that was over 3 billion ISK a month (with four level 4 skills). He was surprised; he didn't realize how much he was earning.


PI I'm finding is a good way to generate ISK and am just about to move my PI character from lowsec to nullsec, but even the income in lowesec from PI has been great.

I only started that character after the multiple training queues was introduced, so it sits on the same account as this. After 4 months of training, I don't think I need to train that character anymore and I can now run 6 planets at full upgrade and fly a blockade runner.

This last month the income topped 1 billion for the first time, all for really only a few minutes a day on that character and 1 day of longer on the time to move resources around and cart off to market.

Moving the PI to null, I am hoping to increase that income further (which is needed to fund my pvp).

So in my experience, after watching a few videos on YouTube and following the Eve-Uni PI Alt guide in terms of skills, making money in lowesec/nullsec is possible, but you still need to put in the time and have a plan.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#130 - 2014-03-16 03:27:25 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Is Divine Entervention the worst new player in the history of EVE?


If he's not trolling, and the **** he says is actually sincere, he's simultaneously worse than both Harry Forever and Ace Uoweme at the same time.


I honestly didn't think anything could be worse than Ace Uoweme, but compared to this guy i could probably bear to hear here talk about how superior WoW is to EVE lol.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#131 - 2014-03-16 03:29:38 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Is Divine Entervention the worst new player in the history of EVE?


If he's not trolling, and the **** he says is actually sincere, he's simultaneously worse than both Harry Forever and Ace Uoweme at the same time.


I honestly didn't think anything could be worse than Ace Uoweme, but compared to this guy i could probably bear to hear here talk about how superior WoW is to EVE lol.


Pretty much. Ace was at least fun to make fun of, this guy's unflagging moral superiority is worthy of some unholy hybrid of a Scientologist and a Jehovah's Witness. You know, because he's all "shun!!!" while still going door to door to tell everyone how much better he thinks he is than they.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
stoicfaux
#132 - 2014-03-16 03:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Meh. DE has appeared to indirectly admit that he may have been possibly wrong about certain nuanced aspects of the game.

Let's give the vigorous banter a rest and welcome him in a more traditional manner with a "Welcome to EVE!" 100k bounty from each of us?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Kaerf Arkanghel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2014-03-16 04:08:49 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
So what minimum amount of skill points would you say a "new person" should have before venturing into Null?

I'm currently making a list of all the things noobs can't do so when veterans try to convince new people to play saying they have alot of "opportunity" I'll show them the "opportunity" they don't have.


I'm just curious, what made you play EvE, i mean, how did you stumble upon it?

i have this impression from you that you are soooo hunged up on god-knows-what advertisment/information that made you play EvE.

it's like you were born yesterday. do you really believe a burger that is named "quarter pounder" really weighs like that?

name me a game wherein you can access top equipments on your 1st day.

hate to break it to you dude, but believe me, you are the only person gullible enough to think you can have access to top tier equips (in this case ships) on thier 1st day in EvE.

grow up dude.

btw, if you think that my rl doctor freind who save lives but plays a pirate in eve is immoral then you have issues.

are you a member of this prestigious group?

Just Add Water
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#134 - 2014-03-16 05:15:41 UTC
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