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Veriasse Valence
Axitek Consortium
#121 - 2011-11-29 22:37:42 UTC
All I have to say about this new font is that it looks like somebody scooped it out of the clearance bin at Fontworld USA. Tacky, cheap, and not even remotely sci-fi. I feel like I stepped into a MUD. Two thumbs down for sure.
Nalia White
Tencus
#122 - 2011-11-29 22:40:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalia White
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oh wow this is just getting more and more hilarious. oh yes, they should have kept handheld devices in mind when designing hte new font, so many people are playing eve on their tablets, eve should really start moving in the direction of a flash game for download on the android app market. you're a complete tool.

the wallet spacing is actually pretty nice, with the old font i'd have to sit there and quadruple check how much money i was sending/receiving because the numbers were spaced far too close. the new wallet spacing has a nice rhythm that makes it extremely easy to know exactly how much of what is going where.

and just to reiterate: TOOL.


and you think people should take you serious when you throw insults left and right?

and btw. even the old font had ' at every thousand step (10'000'000'000) if you bothered to tab out of the textbox so your argument is invalid.

however. 2 options, old font, new font. everyone is happy. i can see the "rendering" making problems when taking different sizes and fonts into account. but just an option for this 2 settings. i would even restart my game for that :P

seriously. this new font makes me rage... it's the same thing with our modern ERP system in our company where all the older employees have scaled it to like 125%.

and here just for you:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/fontproblem.jpg

and now tell me what this number looks like to you? you don't even see the dot. it's such a strain for the eye to look at that number... and every inventory item is MUCH worse...

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ucntkilme
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2011-11-29 22:44:49 UTC
Buzzmong wrote:
ucntkilme wrote:
Yes, I am too young to know what I am talking about yet I am not the one on a 15 inch screen now am I? The font is only an issue if you are too dimwitted to understand UI scalability. The font is only an issue if you have a computer that is about as good as a paper weight.

But font aside, and your tiny monitor (I don't think I have had a 15 inch monitor since somewhere around 1990?).. if the font is really the only thing people have 'issues' with, wouldn't you call that a blazing success for CCP given their past performances with patches? Because I certainly would.


I presumed you missed the post where he said he was playing it on a 15" screen laptop?

I have size issues on my 19" non-widescreen, I've already posted that it makes all my windows quite a bit bigger, to the extent I have less information available.

Now CCP Punkturis told us about the "small font" setting for the overview at least that's tolerable (even it doesn't apply to my drone window), but all my other windows require that same option in order for me to play the game as easy as I did with the last font.

I think that's a valid complaint about the new font don't you?

(And no, I can't afford to replace a perfectly working screen at the moment before you say I, and others, should do just that).


Do you have your UI scaled down to 90%? I have multiple screens (8) on this machine and on my other machine I have 2. My other machine has a 20 inch wide. at 100% yes it's a bit big, at 90% it's a bit better. Though I would like to see it be a bit smaller so a 80 or 75% ui scalability option would be a good thing in this case. But it doesn't really make the game 'unplayable'
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#124 - 2011-11-29 22:46:24 UTC
Dinta Zembo wrote:
I think the whole right click thing takes a lot longer than dragging and dropping (and 'distracts from other activities' just as much).

Not compatible with TS/Vent.. well I don't get this.. I normally link system names in channels anyway.
What right click thing?

I'm talking about quickly eyeing and repeating the name.

“Where are you?”
“Ehm… 1S0… no wait, I5O… dammit, I'll link it” [drag, drag, drag, chat latency, reading issues, comparison issues, getting shot while dragging, modules burning out from the overheating/overcycling]
“Oook… that must be the system next-door… hopefully Lol [mutter, mutter, bloody n00b]”

Compared to.

“Where are you?”
“I50”
“Warping to gate now.”
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#125 - 2011-11-29 22:49:58 UTC
Dinta Zembo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Dinta Zembo wrote:
Drag the system name from top left into your chat. There you go. No more need to read the name.
Takes too long and distracts from other activities; not compatible with TS/Vent.




I think the whole right click thing takes a lot longer than dragging and dropping (and 'distracts from other activities' just as much).

Not compatible with TS/Vent.. well I don't get this.. I normally link system names in channels anyway.


I'd much prefer that I, and every other pilot flying with me, can simply read the damn system name clearly to begin with. Smile

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Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#126 - 2011-11-29 22:52:39 UTC
Add font scaleing option at least... also confirming, new font literally hurts my eyes, no joke, i like the readability of it, but inside my eyes it gives discomfort for some reason

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Shalia Ripper
#127 - 2011-11-29 22:53:49 UTC
I love the readable font.

Sure, it isnt pretty, but it is a hell of a lot more easy on the eyes...in fact I can reduce the font size and it is far more legible than the old one.

Sig blah blah blah blah
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2011-11-29 22:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzmong
ucntkilme wrote:
Do you have your UI scaled down to 90%? I have multiple screens (8) on this machine and on my other machine I have 2. My other machine has a 20 inch wide. at 100% yes it's a bit big, at 90% it's a bit better. Though I would like to see it be a bit smaller so a 80 or 75% ui scalability option would be a good thing in this case. But it doesn't really make the game 'unplayable'


Nah, got it at 100%.

See my previous post (#72), if you want more info, as I did try the 90% setting.

Tbh, if the "small font" setting available in the overview could be applied globally to my client, it would be damn near perfect.


Edit: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=433738#post433738
(Forum won't let me stick that in url tags)
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2011-11-29 22:59:14 UTC

*lol at chicken forum alt*
Little Delicious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#130 - 2011-11-29 22:59:24 UTC
Nalia White wrote:

and you think people should take you serious when you throw insults left and right?


why should i care what you think? if i've got a bone to pick with an idiot i'll tell them they're wrong, i'm not arguing for some prissy internet *****.

Nalia White wrote:

and btw. even the old font had ' at every thousand step (10'000'000'000) if you bothered to tab out of the textbox so your argument is invalid.


i fail to see how that "invalidates" my argument. the apostrophes were hardly legible, it took more than a quick glance to see exactly what number was being portrayed, and was a far cry from how readily visible the new style is.

Nalia White wrote:

however. 2 options, old font, new font. everyone is happy. i can see the "rendering" making problems when taking different sizes and fonts into account. but just an option for this 2 settings. i would even restart my game for that :P


it's ridiculous to ask for ccp to put back into their game an inferior feature, it cheapens it for the sake of some dumb ass who's not going to be happy either way.

Nalia White wrote:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/fontproblem.jpg

and now tell me what this number looks like to you? you don't even see the dot. it's such a strain for the eye to look at that number... and every inventory item is MUCH worse...


if it was the old font, with it's 2 pixel apostrohpe, it would look like 1.7 million, however with it being much more clearly spaced and marked, it's pretty obvious that the slight lacking the decimal may have doesn't somehow trick you into thinking there are 5 numbers between apostrophes.

great whiteknighting for dumbasses though, love the entertainment.
Dinta Zembo
Tea. Earl Grey. Cold.
#131 - 2011-11-29 22:59:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dinta Zembo wrote:
I think the whole right click thing takes a lot longer than dragging and dropping (and 'distracts from other activities' just as much).

Not compatible with TS/Vent.. well I don't get this.. I normally link system names in channels anyway.
“Where are you?”
“Ehm… 1S0… no wait, I5O… dammit, I'll link it” [drag, drag, drag, chat latency, reading issues, comparison issues, getting shot while dragging, modules burning out from the overheating/overcycling]
“Oook… that must be the system next-door… hopefully Lol [mutter, mutter, bloody n00b]”



Casually move cursor to top left, click, hold, drag to chat, release, press enter.
Takes 2 seconds and it's just as hard as moving some cap boosters around from a container in the cargohold.


Why would you have to call a system name on TS anyway? Either you're in the same system or your buddy is jumps away in which case linking it also gives him the option to set a route. If you both know the area you're in you'll know what system you mean with I5O or IS0 regardless of which one you say.


I don't think it's worth fixing this if it leaves many people unable to read ALL characters properly.



The 'right click thing': typing a system name, highlighting it, right clicking, linking to the system
Nalia White
Tencus
#132 - 2011-11-29 23:09:31 UTC
Little Delicious wrote:
Nalia White wrote:

and you think people should take you serious when you throw insults left and right?


why should i care what you think? if i've got a bone to pick with an idiot i'll tell them they're wrong, i'm not arguing for some prissy internet *****.

Nalia White wrote:

and btw. even the old font had ' at every thousand step (10'000'000'000) if you bothered to tab out of the textbox so your argument is invalid.


i fail to see how that "invalidates" my argument. the apostrophes were hardly legible, it took more than a quick glance to see exactly what number was being portrayed, and was a far cry from how readily visible the new style is.

Nalia White wrote:

however. 2 options, old font, new font. everyone is happy. i can see the "rendering" making problems when taking different sizes and fonts into account. but just an option for this 2 settings. i would even restart my game for that :P


it's ridiculous to ask for ccp to put back into their game an inferior feature, it cheapens it for the sake of some dumb ass who's not going to be happy either way.

Nalia White wrote:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/fontproblem.jpg

and now tell me what this number looks like to you? you don't even see the dot. it's such a strain for the eye to look at that number... and every inventory item is MUCH worse...


if it was the old font, with it's 2 pixel apostrohpe, it would look like 1.7 million, however with it being much more clearly spaced and marked, it's pretty obvious that the slight lacking the decimal may have doesn't somehow trick you into thinking there are 5 numbers between apostrophes.

great whiteknighting for dumbasses though, love the entertainment.


dude, only because you say a is b it just isn't. everyone is entitled to his oppinion and I REALLY HAVE A ******* HARD TIME TO READ THIS **** WHERE PREVIOUSLY I COULD PLAY FOR HOURS WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT...

it may be ok for others but for me it's hard to go through 50+ market orders now and you even want to deny us the option to choose because it is "inferior" to you? man, how egocentric can a human beeing be? even for internet standards that's conscerning!

*nerdrage*

Syndicate - K5-JRD

Home to few, graveyard for many

My biggest achievement
Little Delicious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#133 - 2011-11-29 23:14:40 UTC
Nalia White wrote:

dude, only because you say a is b it just isn't. everyone is entitled to his oppinion and I REALLY HAVE A ******* HARD TIME TO READ THIS **** WHERE PREVIOUSLY I COULD PLAY FOR HOURS WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT...

it may be ok for others but for me it's hard to go through 50+ market orders now and you even want to deny us the option to choose because it is "inferior" to you? man, how egocentric can a human beeing be? even for internet standards that's conscerning!

*nerdrage*


yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. and i'm entitled to inform them that those opinions are baseless garbage.
RiotRick
Alpha Republic - Transcenders of Space and Time
Solyaris Chtonium
#134 - 2011-11-29 23:16:43 UTC
Dinta Zembo wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
i no longer need to wear my glasses to read the UI.


Soon I will have to wear glasses because of this UI.



Maybe you can get a monocle?
E Wan
The Positron
#135 - 2011-11-29 23:17:55 UTC
Stop trashing and talking garbage in this forum and go away Little Delicious. With your noobish experience in and outside of this sandbox.
MaxxOmega
30plus LLC
Brave Collective
#136 - 2011-11-29 23:21:34 UTC
Ava n'Daara wrote:
I have a Dell U3011 30" at 2560x1600...
Me too. At this rez, EVE looks incredible cool. All kinds of little things happening in the background you can't see otherwise...
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#137 - 2011-11-29 23:25:30 UTC
new font looks like ****

but its more readable for me

SO DON'T CHANGE IT YOU ASSHATS

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Psychophantic
#138 - 2011-11-29 23:30:00 UTC
It's like ship spinning all over again.

As predicted.
RiotRick
Alpha Republic - Transcenders of Space and Time
Solyaris Chtonium
#139 - 2011-11-29 23:31:21 UTC
I think the font in itself is not bad. I like the fact you can actually see the differences between certain letters and numbers.

The spacing of text in certain areas could use some more tweaking though. In some elements there is just too little room around the text. See for example the augmentations tab in the character sheet . Or the number of people in a chat channel: Corp [123]. The spacing looks goofy there. Just like the numbers of stacked items in the hangar. And there are a lot more places where this weird look exists.
Nalia White
Tencus
#140 - 2011-11-29 23:31:46 UTC
Psychophantic wrote:
It's like ship spinning all over again.

As predicted.


it's a drastic change, but they found the perfect solution with ship spinning even that doesn't impair the gameplay as much as the new font.

just have both possibilities... :)

Syndicate - K5-JRD

Home to few, graveyard for many

My biggest achievement