Intergalactic Summit

Well Horn-haan, best get something straight then... The Dragonaurs are so despised by the Caldari at large that even during the five years they had in power, they couldn't operate under their own name, but rather under the "benevolent" (pfft) banner of the CPD, keeping their more nefarious activities VERY quiet. Do you really think that this would be necessary if they really are freedom fighters? What would have happened to our Dear Old Executors (sic) credibility if he'd been revealed as working with terrorists early on? There's nothing legitimate about them, nor is that going to change anytime soon. If your side really is "Caldari", maybe you'd best stop supporting this little group which has put themselves, and their cause, ahead of the greater gain of the State, time and again, throughout history. I think you'll find that most people don't appreciate such an attitude.

Until such a time comes about that the Dragonaurs stand for more than a never ending thirst for "enemy blood", no, we won't agree... I'd really love to see you, or anyone really, explain even a part of what I've seen this group do, as patriotism. But as much as I want to throw it out here and say "alright, explain how THIS is anything patriotic", I can't. Much of what I've seen and participated in is classified, and if there's one thing I still value, it's the oaths I've given. At the least, I know you'll grasp that, so we'll leave it here, and let actions speak for themselves. Moitte.

Look, kid.
Dragonaurs always were one of the most loyal Caldari ever. Maybe they lack professionalism and too hot headed, but to despise them is like despise Caldari culture. Only traitorous scum will despise them, not Caldari at large.
It looks to me, that you would rather kiss filthy gallentean boots, than embrace Caldari traditions and culture.
Up to you, buffoon, but don't expect to live for too long after the Federation will be defeated, because you will follow them.

You're forgetting about the various bubble realities people seem to reside in when it comes to these things, Pieter. You and I tend to see eye to eye, from what I can gather, so the following statement should be quite familiar.

In my experience, as an outsider, then an immigrant capsuleer, the State and Caldari culture has never been about killing, racial purity of any form of genetic discrimination. Cultural bias and xenophobia? Sure, we all have that to some degree culturally speaking, but not to the extent of labelling everyone born from a lineage as persona non grata, or targets for our military.

The State is authoritarian, in that absolute authority is rightfully in the hands of those of the highest merit. These people have seen fit to declare the Dragonaurs a terror cell counter to the interests of the State. These people have not called for a purge of the Gallente, they have not even suggested the Federation should be burned to the ground, though the prospect of disarming one another is a long lived dream of both nations. So, assuming the logic that the highest positions go to those of highest merit, these two statement have absolute merit and absolute authority.

It is therefore, as both statements stand as reasonable and not counter to personal safety or well-being, correct to say that both statements are meritorious and the authority behind them deserves the continued respect of those that claim to support the Caldari State.

I am sure such an opinion will attract the usual calls of 'jaijii filth' and so on, but simply put, I as an immigrant capsuleer respect the judgement of the CEP on issues of policy and legality. Some may consider the accident of birth to be the reason for my not falling into line with more radical, genocidal camps. I consider it a damning statement that someone not born of the State is more capable of respecting it's hierarchy than natural born citizens.

Practical, Patriot or Liberal, we who claim any form of relationship with the State are beholden to the CEP should we wish our claims to ring true. As capsuleers we may do pretty much as we please, to the onus is ever upon us to question when we feel it prudent and to use our freedoms and powers responsibly, so as to not negatively impact the society we love. So if these are to be taken as facts, the measurement of a Caldari is by their respect for those who stand alongside them, by their obedience to their more merited peers, so long as those merited peers similarly lead with respect for their citizenry. Not by some arbitrary kill count or measurement of hatred towards a Federation that is only relevant to the State in the modern day as a foreign power, not the traumatising cultural sieve it once was.

1. If you consider terrorism as a profession, you take this position, and are not "declare to be a terrorist".
2. If you consider being terrorist as a criminal act (if somewhere it is, for example, terrorism without war), then you can be named a terrorist only after a trial. Obviously CEP is not a tribunal and has no power to assume anyone in being guilt in anything.

In other words, CEP's declaration about someone "being a terrorist" is nothing, but mocking.

You traitor shouldn't insult loyal citizens like TomHorn like this, you don't deserve to be called Caldari. At least join that Federation and talk whatever you wish, knowing, we will come to make an example of you.


I see you was totally brainwashed by gallentean swines, to call our patriots and guerillas as terrorists.


You have lost your right to speak about Caldari people, traitor. TomHorn is one of loyal Caldari. And you are definitely not. You have no ideas what are Caldari ideals and who are Caldari peoples. You will never understand Caldari, because one would support Provists for benefit of the State, and not for personal reasons like seeking fame or respect.
Your accusation makes it clear, that it is what you would seek. As an individualist. As a hedonist. As a kakku... as a gallentean kisser.

Shame on you.


The Caldari people are not as ignorant or unwise as you.


You can't speak about Caldari, you are spoiled by gallentean propaganda and will never understand Caldari.

Parking a Titan in a hostile system and telling your enemy that you will kill there civilians if they don't comply with your demands isn't a police action, it's taking hostages. It is also an act of weakness and cowardice.

No.

Should I repeat again with a hope you might understand it finally?...
It is OUR planet, and it was OUR titan over it.
So, it was POLICE and GUARD kind of ship.

And I repeat again, it was the Federation, that put civilian lives at risk, and those civilians, who died because titan fell on the planet... their blood is on gallente hands as well.
What gallentes did was act of weakness and cowardice. Caldari didn't kill any civilians in that fight, we were only protecting our planet and our ships, while gallentes were starting ground fights in inhabited cities, provoking titan to bomb them down, that would affect civilian population as well, and of course dropping the titan on inhabited planet.

But as I said somewhere, if I had a titan there and saw gallentes started to attack us, I swear, I would warp the titan to Gallente Prime instead and poured down all the firepower I could get, and if I were destined to die there, then it would be way better to drop titan on gallente planet than on our home.

And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.