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Let's give the gankers what they want

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#61 - 2014-03-15 08:32:08 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
No, the solution is for the miner be able to ******* shoot back and have a decent chance to plant one 'between the eyes' ... with his own ******* gun
He already has that ability.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#62 - 2014-03-15 08:34:03 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
No, the solution is for the miner be able to ******* shoot back and have a decent chance to plant one 'between the eyes' ... with his own ******* gun


See my previous post.

You have exactly the same chance to shoot at the ganker as they have to shoot at you. The determining factor is the choice you make when you fit your ship or form friendships in the game.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#63 - 2014-03-15 08:35:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Meh, just let him ramble on. Ever since I completely smashed him in a thread that got deleted he's been super butthurt.
Yes, it certainly didn't have anything to do with you expressing approval of my death at all… liar.

Quote:
I was just proving him wrong because he was wrong.
Yeah, no. That never actually happened outside of your head. Liar.

Oh, and I can't help noticing you haven't answered the very very very very simple question:
When you bluff in poker, does this make you a bad person and a consummate liar in real life? Yes or no.


Look bro. What that guy said, whoever he was, is wrong. I'm sorry I didn't clarify my statement TO HIM, who I was speaking to. But I do not wish for you to be dead.

I'm sorry that you've become emotional like someone who might be carrying a child inside and has raging hormones. But considering I wasn't talking to you at the time, I did tell him that what he said was wrong.

And yes, you got smashed.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#64 - 2014-03-15 08:35:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ok. We're going down this route again. Any hesitation or evasion on your part will mean that you agree with me in every way and there is no way for you to later lie and try to change your mind. Ok? Ok. Let's go.

When you bluff in poker, does this make you a bad person and a consummate liar in real life? Yes or no.

[evasion]
So, your answer is “no, obviously not”.

And by the same token, shooting people in a game where shooting people is a legal and very much expected move does not make the person choosing that move a bad person; it does not make him immoral; it does not require him to dehumanise his opponent; in fact, it does not reflect on his real-life character in any way.

I'm glad you agree. Since you do, maybe you can stop your fallacious high-moral nonsense since we've already established that you are the most (real-life) immoral person in this entire thread and that your word on the topic has no value.

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Look bro. What that guy said, whoever he was, is wrong. I'm sorry I didn't clarify my statement TO HIM, who I was speaking to. But I do not wish for you to be dead.
Liar.
Suned
PTUSHNIKI
Fanatic Legion.
#65 - 2014-03-15 08:36:19 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


Sounds win win. They say they do it for the "PvP", so obviously it's what they want. I think everyone wants it.

Lets make it happen.


Sounds like a win-win scenario for everyone. Congratulations OP you have cured eve
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#66 - 2014-03-15 08:36:41 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
On a side note, do women even play eve, every female avatar I have ever seen has been referred to by everyone else as 'he' What?


A mere 4% of the player base are female so I am told.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Kyperion
#67 - 2014-03-15 08:37:24 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
No, the solution is for the miner be able to ******* shoot back and have a decent chance to plant one 'between the eyes' ... with his own ******* gun


See my previous post.

You have exactly the same chance to shoot at the ganker as they have to shoot at you. The determining factor is the choice you make when you fit your ship or form friendships in the game.


You do not have any weaponization options other than unbonused drones in a miningbarge, and none in a freighter.... which is idiotic.
you are looking at this bass ackwards
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-03-15 08:37:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ok. We're going down this route again. Any hesitation or evasion on your part will mean that you agree with me in every way and there is no way for you to later lie and try to change your mind. Ok? Ok. Let's go.

When you bluff in poker, does this make you a bad person and a consummate liar in real life? Yes or no.

[evasion]
So, your answer is “no, obviously not”.

And by the same token, shooting people in a game where shooting people is a legal and very much expected move does not make the person choosing that move a bad person; it does not make him immoral; it does not require him to dehumanise his opponent; in fact, it does not reflect on his real-life character in any way.

I'm glad you agree. Since you do, maybe you can stop your fallacious high-moral nonsense since we've already established that you are the most (real-life) immoral person in this entire thread and that your word on the topic has no value.

Quote:
Look bro. What that guy said, whoever he was, is wrong. I'm sorry I didn't clarify my statement TO HIM, who I was speaking to. But I do not wish for you to be dead.
Liar.


Troll
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#69 - 2014-03-15 08:39:21 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Troll
Explaining exactly what you did and where you went wrong is not trolling.
Sorry, liar.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#70 - 2014-03-15 08:40:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
He already has that ability.

Not really. As I've expressed in a number of other slots, give barges real fitting options, slots equal to cruisers, base EHP/PG/CPU equal to cruisers, Hard cap Strip miners to avoid breaking things and then you can actually fit your barges in a number of different ways, including in an interesting bait fashion for all those gankers who don't scan first.

But that would be a smart option, and I've not seen too many smart options taken when dealing with such problems lately. Nice technical tweaks to existing ships on the most part with tiericide/balancing, but when there is a ship class feeling badly out of place, I'm not seeing it getting fixed in a daring or smart way usually.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-03-15 08:41:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Troll
Explaining exactly what you did and where you went wrong is not trolling.
Sorry, liar.

I understand you're mad because I shattered you in your own house, the eve forums, the place you live.

But don't worry. I'm sure after a couple weeks of you following me around you'll pick up a few tips from #thebest.
Kyperion
#72 - 2014-03-15 08:41:44 UTC
LMAO, something I didn't think about until now.... EVE players love to **** on WoW.... but in a WoW PVP (OR ANY OTHER MMO) server, even a miner can be decked out in Full PVP gear...... ironic, considering how tough these people think of themselves.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#73 - 2014-03-15 08:44:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
I understand you're mad because I shattered you in your own house, the eve forums, the place you live.
Again, all of that only happened in your head. That's what makes it and every part in it a lie, you see.

I understand that you're upset that your high-moral persona got so thoroughly smashed because of your trip-up, but that is no reason to keep being abusive to other players or to keep lying through your teeth with every breath you take. But again that's part of what makes you a liar.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#74 - 2014-03-15 08:47:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
I understand you're mad because I shattered you in your own house, the eve forums, the place you live.
Again, all of that only happened in your head. That's what makes it and every part in it a lie, you see.

I understand that you're upset that your high-moral persona got so thoroughly smashed because of your trip-up, but that is no reason to keep being abusive to other players or to keep lying through your teeth with every breath you take. But again that's part of what makes you a liar.


Alright well you can deny it all you want but there's a couple of very clear posts made by you where you've demonstrated you let yourself become overly emotional from forum posts causing you to spew a list of personal insults.

Looks like you're taking the actions within the "illusionary polygon" outside of it and are letting it affect your reality.

You might want to go get yourself diagnosed. Not checked out, because you definitely have something wrong.... but diagnosed.

#affected

You guys think this dude is good? This isn't even hard.

lol NEXT
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#75 - 2014-03-15 08:48:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Kyperion wrote:
You do not have any weaponization options other than unbonused drones in a miningbarge, and none in a freighter.... which is idiotic.
you are looking at this bass ackwards


So what? That's a limitation you know up front and you also know that you are playing in an environment where both PvE and PvP co-exist and commonly intersect.

If you don't have the option to fit a gun to the specific ship you want to fly, either:

  1. accept that and accept the consequences that you may be blown up at some point,
  2. reship to something else and fit guns to it and accept that you may be blown up at some point or that you might also blow someone else up first,
  3. find friends with guns who can assist you,
  4. develop intelligence systems (eg. gankers on watchlists, intel channels, etc.) so you can be forewarned
  5. move elsewhere when gankers are around
  6. tank your ship and then tank it some more so you can survive long enough for Concordekken to save you
  7. any of a number of other options that make you a less likely target


But when you say "you do not have any weaponization options", just realise that it is your thinking about your own situation. If I was a miner, I would most ceretainly have weaponization options and mange the risk to make myself less likely to be ganked and a harder target for anyone that tries.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#76 - 2014-03-15 08:52:12 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Looks like you're taking the actions within the "illusionary polygon" outside of it and are letting it affect your reality.
That's just something you've made up, you know that right? And no, having people actually wishing me dead, and other people cheering them on is not taking something in a game and transposing it to reality. It's them doing it, for real. This is the distinction you have consistently been unable to make, which is why all your claims about the connection between game and real life become so completely detached from the latter.
Kyperion
#77 - 2014-03-15 08:58:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyperion
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
You do not have any weaponization options other than unbonused drones in a miningbarge, and none in a freighter.... which is idiotic.
you are looking at this bass ackwards


So what? That's a limitation you know up front and you also know that you are playing in an environment where both PvE and PvP co-exist and commonly intersect.

If you don't have the option to fit a gun to the specific ship you want to fly, either:

  1. accept that and accept the consequences that you may be blown up at some point,
  2. reship to something else and fit guns to it and accept that you may be blown up at some point or that you might also blow someone else up first,
  3. find friends with guns who can assist you,
  4. develop intelligence systems (eg. gankers on watchlists, intel channels, etc.) so you can be forewarned
  5. move elsewhere when gankers are around
  6. tank your ship and then tank it some more so you can survive long enough for Concordekken to save you
  7. any of a number of other options that make you a less likely target


But when you say "you do not have any weaponization options", just realise that it is your thinking about your own situation. If I was a miner, I would most ceretainly have weaponization options and mange the risk to make myself less likely to be ganked and a harder target for anyone that tries.


'IRL' we are all carebears or we would be in jail... we do not however accept the idea that we may be killed because some thug wants a shiney... and in the United States, many of us carry concealed weapons through our daily lives for just such an eventuality... in a 'sandbox' game this should be an option, but isn't. I can hug my kids one minute, and draw on some pathetic wannabe pedophile the next.... same should exist for shooting rocks one minute, and melting some New Order ***** face the next.
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-03-15 08:58:49 UTC
I do give them what they want, I make the shops they use to gankBig smile

Pog mo thoin

Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#79 - 2014-03-15 08:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Looks like you're taking the actions within the "illusionary polygon" outside of it and are letting it affect your reality.
That's just something you've made up, you know that right? And no, having people actually wishing me dead, and other people cheering them on is not taking something in a game and transposing it to reality. It's them doing it, for real. This is the distinction you have consistently been unable to make, which is why all your claims about the connection between game and real life become so completely detached from the latter.


I agreed with his statement that you are a troll. If you wish to believe otherwise, well that's your own insecurity and your irrational overreaction is your own responsibility.

Being unlike you, even online I do not wish to upset your person. Which is why I've explained that your conclusion is false.
Unlike you because you've chosen to leverage insults against me, a list of insults.

Your choosing to ignore it is just more evidence that you pick and choose to ignore information so you may continue to make false arguments.

Because you're a troll, which is why I agreed with the portion of his statement of your being a troll. Which you demonstrate by choosing to ignore my explanations.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#80 - 2014-03-15 09:00:15 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I agreed with his statement that you are a troll. If you wish to believe otherwise, well that's your own insecurity and your irrational overreaction is your own responsibility.

Being unlike you, even online I do not wish to upset your person.
Lol Yeah, no. Liar.