EVE General Discussion

Use implants, don't use implants, remap, don't remap, do whatever you want. Its your money paying the sub, how efficiently you use your subbed time to train is up to you.


I have some very effective combat toons that have never had a learning implant implanted, simply because I knew I was going into situations constantly where I was going to lose the pod, and didn't want to keep buying implants. Compared to other toons which have spent their whole time with +4s and +5, the non implanted toons are a full year of SP BEHIND the implanted toons, and they were made at the same time! Do I care? Nope. I freakin love playing on that toon, so even without optimal SP gain, its worth it to me. Only care about what is worth it to you.

Bittervets will constantly give you bad advice in Eve, that's part of the game. The trick is to figure out what advice is really helpful.

I too have completely naked alt for PvP that I used in FW and even shoot down Harry Forever with a help of NPC Raven. Tech 1 frigate roams in low sec, Fun times, so little SP in a pool.

But that is the option with this character also, my capsule is worth much, was fun escaping from Doril thru the camped gate, after my battleship was lost day earlier in live event. Had to use the stealth bomber i bought from the station I docked in the capsule. Was fun making it to the high sec in one piece past thru pirates and bubbles.

Are you deliberately being thick.

My post was more of a suggestion to many stop the fallacy/a rant. I never asked anyone to explain to me how it works.

This thread is specifically for you. Please read the thread. There are many good examples of how percentages equally apply regardless of the duration of each individual skill. At the end of the month it is all equal.

This truly is middle school level math, yet it seems like 50% can't grasp. Hence my post in the first place.

The answers were specifically for you too! When you've finished smugging about how amazing you are, how much you know, your ability to to count etc please PLEASE elaborate upon the notion that maximising your SP ph beats maximimising essential core skills that will enhance your enjoyment as a new player.

We didn't lie to you, it was just really difficult to explain it properly in one sentence, and if you follow our advice you only lose a handful of SP vs the ability to NOT DIE LIKE A FOOL IN A STARTER MISSION. We only lied to you to make things easier in the first few weeks ingame - and THIS is what we get. You are a shiney example of those who can count, make logical arguments, warble on endlessly about how clever you are - and STILL completely miss the point. What system are you in?

No since plugging in +5s for a level one skill would be impractical and it's practicality which is going over your head. I have low-grade implants in for a total cost of 250 mill. To plug in a set of +5s to train a level one skill would require me to pause training, jump clone or destroy my PvP set, plug the +5s in, then not PvP or risk losing billion or more in implants.

On the other hand if I was training the last level of gallante Titan 5 plugging in +5s would be worthwhile even if PvPing because the time saved is substantial.

Edit:

Before you say yeah but if Titan 5 takes 80 days and you save 20 days having them plugged in for 80 day of lower level skills would still save you 20 days (which is true) the difference is with a long skill like Titan 5 you gain zero for the 60 day period, while if you were training for 60 days lots of lower levels skills you might gain +5 cap + 5 speed +5 agility +5 damage etc which means you're not just sitting there for 60 days gaining nothing.

In that case most people don't mind if a skill takes an extra 20 minutes or an extra day because the trade off of not losing multi billions in implants is much more acceptable. Its not just pure skill point training that is a factor, its risk vs reward, denying people uber killmails and being able to more freely engage in risky pvp.

Yeah if you're going for max training then it doesn't matter. But in general, given the difficulties of EVE, its often true that +5's are better only used to quickly get through a long training level and then taken out for lesser implants.

So you don't get popped in a bubble and lose the implants. Some people die a lot depending on what and how they fly in EVE. If you were a dictor pilot you'd not want +5's in your head while your PvP'ing.

Also you're trying to argue that what people are saying is false while restricting the reality around implant use in game. They're not saying implants work better the higher the skill your training. You have to consider the statement in context.

Actually, yes, some of them are saying exactly that.