EVE General Discussion

Did you get into a good raiding guild on your first day of World of Warcraft?

^ This. Not many AWOXers will bother to sink the time it takes to train a character to several million SP, being that they'll just have to biomass that toon later once they get blacklisted over in Crime & Punishment.

A few will, but those are very determined, dare I say professional spies, as opposed to the just the garden variety internet worm. The kind you can almost respect, so long as they're not doing it to you.

Yes but the two players concerned weren't in any way new to the game, they were both experienced pvp'rs and they chose a NRDS region to play in.

FWIW I started pvp'ing with around 3mill SP which was limiting in terms of ships I could fly well, but what's the rush to get into shiny stuff which you most likely can't afford to lose (multiple times)?

wrong wrong wrong

We have no limits on SP.

Ofcourse people are actually bullshitting you.

Most corps that have a minimum SP requirements do so because you need a minimum SP to be useful to them in group PvP and the PvP jobs that a newbie could do are usually better done by an alt.

There was a PvP report that was published by CCP a while back that showed the correlation between SP and PvP success and it's very strong. From what i remember, on average in EvE, a player has around 50% win chance around 30 mil sp or so.
Ofcourse there's always gonna be some anecdotal evidence about this one guy on an alt who sprung a trap against a high sp player and won, but that is not indicative of your usefulness as a real newbie to a corp that has wars to win or things like that.

The good news is that there is indeed diminishing returns to sp, especially if you specialize into a role, so within months you can be on equal footing in one area with the best of them. But to say sp doesn't matter is just bull.

Here! I'll say it! (Or, repeat it...) Rolling a new toon, buying a Rifter and ganking "new players" isn't exactly the same as being a "new player" with a day's worth of experience and ganking experienced players in well-fitted, high-rated ships. Being an experienced player in a rifter ganking true noobs doesn't qualify anyone for greatness beyond being able to bite your fingernails and not make them bleed. What a skill! Where's the line for that one?

People who don't know have to say. People who know aren't usually found hanging around noob systems ganking them to make themselves feel special. Does the forum have a resident shrink?

I demand an ISD be assigned to major in psychology and diagnose the people who make these DUMB POSTS.

Hi there! I have a practicing degree in psychology!

First thing, hanging out in newbie systems ganking newbs is against EVE ToS, so if you see it, report it. Problem solved.

Secondly, you cannot diagnose mental disorders from inside a game like EVE. Eve, being a game, applies abnormal pressures and constraints to behaviour that do not exist in the real world.

An extreme, and almost silly metaphor to that would be like someone saying "OK, war refugee survivor is clearly a psychopath. They are displaying typical psychopathic behaviour inside this nasty, dirty, dangerous refugee camp."

You so funny.

They have SP requirements because they themselves don't know how to SP.


But as also pointed out here, some proof that you are playing the game for a bit and not just some alt spy is a help too.