Wormholes

Make any supercapital in normal space that warps or passes durign warp within 1au of a wormhoel to a black hoel be sucked in and stay there stuck.. forever...

Can you let us know if we get referenced somehow, It would be nice to know if we had input.

That would be a huge pain in the ***.

Also, what happens to the POS's in black holes if the moons get removed?

Missile bonus is the only thing that makes sense with the current effects. CCP could just remove black hole effects and add in something completely new. It would open up a wider range of possibilities than trying to find something that makes sense in a black hole.

That does not sound crazy, but how easy would it be for CCP to designate which hulls get which bonus? I do not know enough about how the ship object database works to be able to tell if that one is feasible, but it is interesting. ^^ Even if I can;t fly T2's quite yet.

On the other side, we have wormholes that buff light weapons... what if we had a wormhole that buffed the large turrets and cruise missiles?

I'm with Rek on this one. Seems like it could be easiest to just reverse the current stats. You'd move like a brick but hit and at a longer range

I don't know, bro. I want people to want to move into Black holes. Moving like a brick sounds like a pretty good deterrent. But, it still sounds better to me than an industrial wormhole, but then again, some people enjoy that part of the game and may support an industrial style. I just felt that the T2 bonus scheme was something that would excite me about the systems...

Just trying to get out of the box, and I'm not sure how difficult it would be to be able to check [yes] it's a T2, therefore add bonuses. It also seems like an idea that would encourage more to move into the lower class blackholes?

I don't disagree that your idea had it's merit and should be relatively easy to implement. However, I'm not going to dismiss ideas just because I think that CCP might say "no". I also won't dismiss ideas just because they may be difficult or take time to implement. Also, unless you are a programmer, I don't think either of us can posit the resource intensity of any of these changes outside of our "guessing", which leads back to my point that I'd push for good ideas regardless of how simple or complex they sound...

You should just vote for me instead

It seems like CCP intended Black Holes to be high-speed brawl systems maybe? The specific bonuses and penalties also make PvE harder and more skill-intensive, but that's just too bad. Systems where you have to get up close and personal before throwing stones at each other is quite nice :)

If that was the case, where the design failed was not accounting for the increased speeds with application of damage. Increase tracking and explosion velocity relative to speed increase. Because there is effectively a system-wide sensor dampener in effect, remote sensor damps should also not work, whether ship-based or POS module.

Henry, you have your scope too narrow. I'm not suggesting that this is the best idea either, however it is diverse, and also doesn't take away the virtues of the other non-vanilla wormholes. It would mean that T2's would fair better against T3's in those holes, and this is based on the current mechanics. Noone argues that T3's could use improvements, but the only nerf I'd see CCP implementing would be HP, but even with a marginal HP nerf, most T3's would still be comparable even in this type of wormhole environment. So this wouldn't break anything and surely wouldn't make Blackholes the only system worth anything. Let's not get dramatic, bro.

I'm working on a thing with my overall T3 discussion. A ton has to do with the perception, direction, and meta of T3's and where proposals "could" go to better those things. Let's see how that discussion goes as we continue the necro'd Blackhole one :)

While t2 ships being inferior to t3s, in general, is a commonly exhibited phenomena in wormhole space, making ships better only in 'certain' situations would be a mistake.

My example was intended to display the worst possible outcome of your suggestion. I do not see it happening, but it still displays what I dislike about your suggestion; empowering certain ships by the merit of them being terrible in comparison to other ships rather than just looking objectively at t2 and t3 ships themselves.

Another problem is the 'current mechanics' point, which is at best unnoteworthy, and at worst downright dangerous. With t3s soon(tm) to undergo a revamp, changing black holes to introduce alternatives to t3s seems silly, and if they are not looked at again after the rebalance, the wormhole community may find itself in a poor situation where this debate will happen yet again.

Another reason I find conflict with your idea is that it seems like a 'waste' of a wormhole effect, especially when so many interesting other ideas have already been proposed. Why waste a wormhole slot balancing ships when we could enjoy far more interesting (and day I say, fun) effects?

While it may be argued that this already happens with other wormhole effects (e.g. Wolf Rayet, Pulsar, CC), I'd like to make the distinction that these effects instead promote a certain type of gameplay rather than just certain ships, which encourages a variety of playstyles to take place.

A good example of this are pulsars. Shield is favoured there when armour isn't (as in the rest of W-Space) which leads to shield-interested groups settling there and successfully challenging armour-oriented groups on occasion. Pulsars also at least have an equivalent counterpart in armour, where a fleet would be hard-pressed to engage with a shield comp in that system.

In contrast, your black hole idea does not display the same level of flexibility, and certainly is not as diverse as you claim, with only certain ships falling into that category and given arbitrary damage boosts to make up for their shortcomings.
My perfect situation would be that where t2 ships are given boosts or t3 ships given nerfs in order to make t2 ships a viable alternative to the old standard of armour t3s across all wormholes, not just wasting them on just black holes.

This is just my two cents. I hope my more general explanation of affairs eliminated the conception of my narrow-mindedness, as I can assure I think long and hard before I post anything.

That includes the shitposts