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Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2014-03-14 14:09:13 UTC
The reason so much of lowsec is like this is that A) there isn't that much lowsec B) it also serves as a conduit between high and null and C) it has its own population of people that like higher risk space but don't want to deal with things like bubbles.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#42 - 2014-03-14 14:12:23 UTC
people are lazy. If you're in lowsec where pvpers are they will try to find you. If you go somewhere else they won't. But you were lazy too, because you insisted on trying to finish a site that was compromised in a dangerous area. Instead of going somewhere else you stuck around.

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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#43 - 2014-03-14 14:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Hal Morsh wrote:
I decided to go to lowsec. nice quiet system or so I thought. I saw a drone combat site. I had recently been poor from a lot of ship losses but I had just mined a bunch. So I go buy a myrmidon to do this site and what happens.

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

All
Day
Long

I can't get enough time Just to do the damn site. I have a corp with T3's, vargurs and faction cruisers show up to camp the station for 2 hours.

Then I get caught by a guy with a vexor and vengeance later when they leave. Just another guy and his alts. They can't kill me. But when my help arrives they wont show up because now he has an armageddon, then I die finally. He couldn't kill me on his own, but didn't have friends. So what does he do? ALTS!

I can't do one single site in lowsec. One. Single. Site. At. All. On top of the fact that I keep losing not to multiple people, but one guy whos got a ton of alts.

Not only is lowsec irritating enough but now it's an "alts to win" game.

sorry, but you are doing it wrong

i do live in low since 04/2011, and was solo for almost a year.

yes, you won't be able to run site AFK 24/7, but it is 100% possible to live and run site down there, maybe you just didn't get how to yet.

- did you checked the activity in he area, if ppl live there, what their TZ is etc...? seems not
- do you have a ship and fitting adapted to your situation, able to run the kind of pve you want and be safe when needed?
- did you made spot in space before rushing in?
- do you know how to evade ppl chasing you?

i do have 2 account, but almost never use them to scout, since when you know what you are doing and the area you operate in, they really are not mandatory.

back to your loss, he was not able to kill you, at least for quite some time, then why didn't you killed him, or gtfo?

it is very unlikely that you were both able to tank each other indefinitely....what about having a flight of ECM drones, even lights? they can save your ass.

it seems to me that you lack the basic knowledge required to evolve in lowsec, poor knowledge of game mechanic, and bad intel (or no intel at all).

you can learn all that, solo, or by joining a corp, at least for a short time to learn how to move and behave in lowsec, how to gather intel, make safe spots, evade ganks etc....


you can't just go in low with a myrmidon expecting everyone to ignore you.......

especially in a pipe, with that much activity.... i never been there, just check the area using out of game tools, and it takes me 30sec to know that going there to run any kind of pve is a bad idea, and even a worst idea in a battlecruiser
Tysun Kane
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-03-14 14:24:25 UTC
Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:
Map filters are your friend. Use the 'ships killed in the last hour' setting. If you see an orange dot on a system, excersize caution and good judgement before warping in. I tend to be a lot less risk-averse and jump in them anyways, but if you want to be sure then don't go to those systems.

Use the 'active pilots in the last 30 minutes' setting as well. Is there only three or so people in a system? It's probably okay. Ten or more? Avoid it.

Also, I use eve-kill sometimes if I'm venturing into a new area of low-sec just to see what's been killed there and who'se killing them. There's a lot of different things you can do that will reduce the chance of you dying should you feel inclined to do so.

Also, d-scan if anyone hasn't mentioned it already. Use it often if you're running sites in low.


This ^^
Digits Kho
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2014-03-14 14:30:53 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I decided to go to lowsec. nice quiet system or so I thought. I saw a drone combat site. I had recently been poor from a lot of ship losses but I had just mined a bunch. So I go buy a myrmidon to do this site and what happens.

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

All
Day
Long

I can't get enough time Just to do the damn site. I have a corp with T3's, vargurs and faction cruisers show up to camp the station for 2 hours.

Then I get caught by a guy with a vexor and vengeance later when they leave. Just another guy and his alts. They can't kill me. But when my help arrives they wont show up because now he has an armageddon, then I die finally. He couldn't kill me on his own, but didn't have friends. So what does he do? ALTS!

I can't do one single site in lowsec. One. Single. Site. At. All. On top of the fact that I keep losing not to multiple people, but one guy whos got a ton of alts.

Not only is lowsec irritating enough but now it's an "alts to win" game.

Listen to me and avoid a bunch of pain later on. Low sec is good only for FW. FW will bring you a truck ton more isk than a bad drone anom. All you need a t1 frig and you will be making around 100 mil a day if ur bad at eve and FW. If you are good ofc you will make more but im just telling you the numbers i got back when i tried doing a little bit of fw and i was doing it for the frig pvp , not getting rich, which means i got blown up alot.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-03-14 14:40:16 UTC
I only spent a few days living in lowsec. I did a lot of recon before I picked the system. Seemed very quite. Turned out to be right next door to the Brave Newbies staging system at the time. Still I ran combat and data/relic sites and at the end of 5 days or so had no problem hauling my stuff out to hisec. Solo anything in this game is tough. I did have a scout alt to take gates for me. Without that I'd want a scout corpmate to do it.

There are people who live in lowsec doing pve full time though. This is one of them:

http://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2014/03/low-sec-pi-is-not-that-scary-after-all.html

Lots of posts on that site relating to living in lowsec.

If you don't like lowsec, come to wormhole space. No local there, so you won't be troubled by seeing pilots suddenly show up in chat. They will just be suddenly showing up scrambling your warp engine.

There are players who live and thrive in every kind of dangerous space Eve has to offer. There are even people who mine in untanked mackinaws in hisec. You just need to learn the tricks of the trade for staying (mostly) alive.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#47 - 2014-03-14 14:59:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Hal Morsh wrote:
I decided to go to lowsec. nice quiet system or so I thought. I saw a drone combat site. I had recently been poor from a lot of ship losses but I had just mined a bunch. So I go buy a myrmidon to do this site and what happens.

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

All
Day
Long

I can't get enough time Just to do the damn site. I have a corp with T3's, vargurs and faction cruisers show up to camp the station for 2 hours.

Then I get caught by a guy with a vexor and vengeance later when they leave. Just another guy and his alts. They can't kill me. But when my help arrives they wont show up because now he has an armageddon, then I die finally. He couldn't kill me on his own, but didn't have friends. So what does he do? ALTS!

I can't do one single site in lowsec. One. Single. Site. At. All. On top of the fact that I keep losing not to multiple people, but one guy whos got a ton of alts.

Not only is lowsec irritating enough but now it's an "alts to win" game.



Lowsec was destroyed when scanning was made simple enough for a monkey to do it.

"They" won lowsec. Meaning, killing everything that moved for no reason means the only thing moving out there is "them".

Whey won to lose of course because most of their time is spent having little to shoot at outside of FW targets and coming to these forums to demand that CCP find some way to funnel other players into their gate camps in some manner that is all risk and no chance of surviva.... uh.... reward. Something like "remove the going into lowsec warning! Hurf! Blurf! This is turning into WoW!!! Hurf Blurf!!!""


I'd say you should just leave lowsec to its fate: being the parking lot from "Dawn of the Dead" with zombies shuffling around and that occasional "swarm that one living guy" moment provided by the occasional roam or noob who didn't know better.

Regardless of all that, lowsec is still a great place to get a fight if a fight is what you are looking for.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Irsam Samri
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#48 - 2014-03-14 15:24:14 UTC
You need to cruise round low sec looking for back end a.nd unpopulated systems. I literally fly a battlecruiser for hours farming clone tags and dont even bother to check dscan anymore its so dead where I pve.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#49 - 2014-03-14 16:15:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
seth Hendar wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
I decided to go to lowsec. nice quiet system or so I thought. I saw a drone combat site. I had recently been poor from a lot of ship losses but I had just mined a bunch. So I go buy a myrmidon to do this site and what happens.

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

All
Day
Long

I can't get enough time Just to do the damn site. I have a corp with T3's, vargurs and faction cruisers show up to camp the station for 2 hours.

Then I get caught by a guy with a vexor and vengeance later when they leave. Just another guy and his alts. They can't kill me. But when my help arrives they wont show up because now he has an armageddon, then I die finally. He couldn't kill me on his own, but didn't have friends. So what does he do? ALTS!

I can't do one single site in lowsec. One. Single. Site. At. All. On top of the fact that I keep losing not to multiple people, but one guy whos got a ton of alts.

Not only is lowsec irritating enough but now it's an "alts to win" game.

sorry, but you are doing it wrong

i do live in low since 04/2011, and was solo for almost a year.

yes, you won't be able to run site AFK 24/7, but it is 100% possible to live and run site down there, maybe you just didn't get how to yet.

- did you checked the activity in he area, if ppl live there, what their TZ is etc...? seems not
- do you have a ship and fitting adapted to your situation, able to run the kind of pve you want and be safe when needed?
- did you made spot in space before rushing in?
- do you know how to evade ppl chasing you?

i do have 2 account, but almost never use them to scout, since when you know what you are doing and the area you operate in, they really are not mandatory.

back to your loss, he was not able to kill you, at least for quite some time, then why didn't you killed him, or gtfo?

it is very unlikely that you were both able to tank each other indefinitely....what about having a flight of ECM drones, even lights? they can save your ass.

it seems to me that you lack the basic knowledge required to evolve in lowsec, poor knowledge of game mechanic, and bad intel (or no intel at all).

you can learn all that, solo, or by joining a corp, at least for a short time to learn how to move and behave in lowsec, how to gather intel, make safe spots, evade ganks etc....


you can't just go in low with a myrmidon expecting everyone to ignore you.......

especially in a pipe, with that much activity.... i never been there, just check the area using out of game tools, and it takes me 30sec to know that going there to run any kind of pve is a bad idea, and even a worst idea in a battlecruiser


He was chasing me around with a vexor, so I figured to scare him off. I was getting extremely irritated because for more time then most people even have to play a game I wasn't being left alone by anyone long enough to finish this 9 room drone site.. The vengeance showed after the vexor but he only warped his vexor off when it as almost dead. The vengeance then would attack my hobgoblins making it so I couldn't sustain damage on him. Then the vexor came back and the vengeance left, at that point his ecm drones weren't working, but I figured OH HEY two corp mates showed up, if they tackle him I can kill him so I sat there waiting to deploy my ogres and hammerhead twos again. Instead they didn't show up because an Armageddon did.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-03-14 18:39:47 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
The reason so much of lowsec is like this is that A) there isn't that much lowsec B) it also serves as a conduit between high and null and C) it has its own population of people that like higher risk space but don't want to deal with things like *POLITICS AND RISK AVERSE NULLBEARS*.


fixed it for you

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2014-03-14 18:50:17 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

Welcome to lowsec! Blink


So then how do you do anything? At all? People are so persistant my corp used me as bait and they killed 2 guys.


You shot at the 2 guys and got on the kill mail right?
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-03-14 18:59:02 UTC
Shaishi Otichoda wrote:
Babar Baboli wrote:
Pro-tip of the day. Don't do combat anoms, only do combat sites that you have to scan down.
That way you can GTFO when you see combat scanner probes on d-scan.
Always spam d-scan when you're not alone in a system.


This. Except don't be surprised if "locals" in the system have already scanned down the sites in advance. In that case you don't see probes. You can also run sites that have gates. That forces the attackers to uncloak when they enter.


I've ran missions in low sec with people in the system.

I spam the d-scan like a mad man and only kill 2 or 3 npc at the time before warping to a random safe then going back.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#53 - 2014-03-14 19:27:08 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
I decided to go to lowsec. nice quiet system or so I thought. I saw a drone combat site. I had recently been poor from a lot of ship losses but I had just mined a bunch. So I go buy a myrmidon to do this site and what happens.

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

All
Day
Long

I can't get enough time Just to do the damn site. I have a corp with T3's, vargurs and faction cruisers show up to camp the station for 2 hours.

Then I get caught by a guy with a vexor and vengeance later when they leave. Just another guy and his alts. They can't kill me. But when my help arrives they wont show up because now he has an armageddon, then I die finally. He couldn't kill me on his own, but didn't have friends. So what does he do? ALTS!

I can't do one single site in lowsec. One. Single. Site. At. All. On top of the fact that I keep losing not to multiple people, but one guy whos got a ton of alts.

Not only is lowsec irritating enough but now it's an "alts to win" game.

sorry, but you are doing it wrong

i do live in low since 04/2011, and was solo for almost a year.

yes, you won't be able to run site AFK 24/7, but it is 100% possible to live and run site down there, maybe you just didn't get how to yet.

- did you checked the activity in he area, if ppl live there, what their TZ is etc...? seems not
- do you have a ship and fitting adapted to your situation, able to run the kind of pve you want and be safe when needed?
- did you made spot in space before rushing in?
- do you know how to evade ppl chasing you?

i do have 2 account, but almost never use them to scout, since when you know what you are doing and the area you operate in, they really are not mandatory.

back to your loss, he was not able to kill you, at least for quite some time, then why didn't you killed him, or gtfo?

it is very unlikely that you were both able to tank each other indefinitely....what about having a flight of ECM drones, even lights? they can save your ass.

it seems to me that you lack the basic knowledge required to evolve in lowsec, poor knowledge of game mechanic, and bad intel (or no intel at all).

you can learn all that, solo, or by joining a corp, at least for a short time to learn how to move and behave in lowsec, how to gather intel, make safe spots, evade ganks etc....


you can't just go in low with a myrmidon expecting everyone to ignore you.......

especially in a pipe, with that much activity.... i never been there, just check the area using out of game tools, and it takes me 30sec to know that going there to run any kind of pve is a bad idea, and even a worst idea in a battlecruiser


He was chasing me around with a vexor, so I figured to scare him off. I was getting extremely irritated because for more time then most people even have to play a game I wasn't being left alone by anyone long enough to finish this 9 room drone site.. The vengeance showed after the vexor but he only warped his vexor off when it as almost dead. The vengeance then would attack my hobgoblins making it so I couldn't sustain damage on him. Then the vexor came back and the vengeance left, at that point his ecm drones weren't working, but I figured OH HEY two corp mates showed up, if they tackle him I can kill him so I sat there waiting to deploy my ogres and hammerhead twos again. Instead they didn't show up because an Armageddon did.


If you had fitted a warp scrambler, then you could have killed him the first time and got the hell out.
Pew Terror
All of it
#54 - 2014-03-14 19:28:40 UTC
Lowsec is dangerous if you dont know what you are doing.
Its the most dangerous of the secses by far when you are near the pirate hubs.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#55 - 2014-03-14 19:35:05 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I decided to go to lowsec. nice quiet system or so I thought. I saw a drone combat site. I had recently been poor from a lot of ship losses but I had just mined a bunch. So I go buy a myrmidon to do this site and what happens.

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

All
Day
Long

I can't get enough time Just to do the damn site. I have a corp with T3's, vargurs and faction cruisers show up to camp the station for 2 hours.

Then I get caught by a guy with a vexor and vengeance later when they leave. Just another guy and his alts. They can't kill me. But when my help arrives they wont show up because now he has an armageddon, then I die finally. He couldn't kill me on his own, but didn't have friends. So what does he do? ALTS!

I can't do one single site in lowsec. One. Single. Site. At. All. On top of the fact that I keep losing not to multiple people, but one guy whos got a ton of alts.

Not only is lowsec irritating enough but now it's an "alts to win" game.


It has all of the drawbacks of null and none of the benefits of high. Thus, it is mostly worthless and cannot sustain any real economy compared to highsec.

Try going to Delve, rumor is that it is mostly empty...
Regnag Leppod
Doomheim
#56 - 2014-03-14 19:37:55 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
Not only is lowsec irritating enough but now it's an "alts to win" game.


No, no, it's not "alts" to win it's "multiple subscriptions to win."

Which is exactly how CCP wants it.


Or you could talk to people and become friends. That helps too.


Making friends in this game is the biggest joke on the internet.

You can trust absolutely no-one in Eve. Period.
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#57 - 2014-03-14 19:42:14 UTC
My favorite part of this post, was where the OP assumes everyone in low-sec is a lone wolf with an army of alts. It is of course completely unconcievable that the vexor/vengeance pair wasn't two people working together, and that the armageddon was obviously the same person multi-boxing. We all know that everyone in lowsec is completely disorganized and lack real friends. Roll

As to the assertion that it's impossible to do anything in low-sec, as mentioned, you're just doing it wrong.
WASPY69
Xerum.
#58 - 2014-03-14 19:49:52 UTC
Babar Baboli wrote:

Lowsec is full of bored ppl, and bored ppl is usually the most aggressive ones.

Pretty much this ^
I've lived in remote low sec myself, and when you live there, you get to know the locals. And as soon as someone new pops into local and stays there for more than a minute you get excited hoping it's some bear that took a wrong turn somewhere and is now doing PVE. So if you've got nothing on your schedule so to speak, and you're just derping on TS doing nothing in game, you will get a jolt of excitement and hunt the target until it leaves (or dies).

So OP, if you wanna bear in low sec, make some friends with the locals (that won't back stab you for the lulz). Lowsec is kinda the rule of the jungle. Just prove yourself, earn some respect, stop whining like a woman, and get dolla.

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#59 - 2014-03-14 22:48:47 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

Welcome to lowsec! Blink


So then how do you do anything? At all? People are so persistant my corp used me as bait and they killed 2 guys.


You shot at the 2 guys and got on the kill mail right?



I'm logi

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#60 - 2014-03-14 22:53:27 UTC
Dun'Gal wrote:
My favorite part of this post, was where the OP assumes everyone in low-sec is a lone wolf with an army of alts. It is of course completely unconcievable that the vexor/vengeance pair wasn't two people working together, and that the armageddon was obviously the same person multi-boxing. We all know that everyone in lowsec is completely disorganized and lack real friends. Roll

As to the assertion that it's impossible to do anything in low-sec, as mentioned, you're just doing it wrong.



You can tell when they all have nearly identical names.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?