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Why is eve being full of scamers gankers bumpers and liars?

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#281 - 2014-03-14 06:31:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Kyperion wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

The problem is not that it exists, its that so many of these 'Code' 'New Order' types are under the impression that they are PVP masters for shooting and scamming mostly new players... and thereby contribute to a toxic environment.
Did James and his merry band of intrepid permit inspectors touch your barge inappropriately? Yes they like blowing their own trumpets, and no they don't contribute to a toxic environment. It's not like it's actually hard to avoid getting ganked by them.

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'PVP' should be about the thrill of outmanuevering, and out strategizing your opponent, not taking advantage of ignorance or silly game mechanics.
Outmanoeuvring and out-thinking opponents generally relies upon taking advantage of an opponents ignorance, apathy, and lack of knowledge

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And, yes EVE allows it, but it does not make the game 'better.'
That's your opinion, I disagree with it. Personally I'm of the opinion that all of the nefarious and devious goings on of other players adds to the atmosphere of Eve, without them it would be a boring game. Every story needs a bad guy, Eve has hordes of them, some of them are even heroes.


James and his deluded band of yuppies have never touched me... and will never, because I fly ships that could shoot back, and they are only interested in shooting stuff incapable of shooting back (IE more risk averse than your typical missioner)

I just enjoy laughing at their delusions.

Bad guys are fine, we aren't talking about bad guys here, we are talking about people who only kill new players, and are in fact trying to invalidate or make impossible a form of playing the game that does not break the EULA in any way.... and is actually somewhat important to the overall player driven parts of the economy.





So if I wardec you today you will actually come and shoot me. I will spend the poultry 50mil to wardec you and we will see how much meaning your words actually hold. Come with anything less then a Battleship and I will consider you a joke. Somebody that talks to much on the forums with little to no action.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#282 - 2014-03-14 06:38:01 UTC
^^ speaking of bad guys, who also happen to be heroes.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#283 - 2014-03-14 06:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
I had an enjoyable time fighting outnumbered and securing my place as king of the forum's hill.
So you admit that you're just trolling then. Goodie. Next time you try, attempt to have an argument based in reality and you might actually be able to not come out with a score of 0.

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But if you're in an Amarr faction warfare corp and you stumble upon another Amarr nuetral miner in high sec and you decide to kill him to make him mad because making people mad is funny, well then you're the type of person who does things we're allowed to consider as "bad"
Now, you do realise that this is already something that's not allowed and that you're only offering up meaningless platitudes at this point? What you're describing is something quite apart from playing the game as expected and in accordance with the rules — an act you also want to attribute to being “bad”, somehow.


Kyperion wrote:
Anybody who makes a living in eve out of ganking miners or freighters does not want 'resistance' they just want a turn at being a terrorist.
…which would be no fun if it was just an automated simulacrum of resistance rather than an actual, unpredictable person at the other end who's actively trying to oppose themselves to what they're doing.

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The problem is not that it exists, its that so many of these 'Code' 'New Order' types are under the impression that they are PVP masters for shooting and scamming mostly new players... and thereby contribute to a toxic environment.

'PVP' should be about the thrill of outmanuevering, and out strategizing your opponent, not taking advantage of ignorance or silly game mechanics.
No, they — like everyone else playing a professional badguy — don't particularly care about new players because they have nothing on offer. They lack the funds or the entrenchment that makes them worth taking money from.

And knowing the game better than your opponent has been a part of PvP since roughly forever. Yes, there are other ways of beating them but just because you might not like that particular aspect doesn't mean it's an invalid one. Meanwhile, most of this is about outmanoeuvring and outsmarting the opponent… although admittedly, the opponents have a nasty tendency to choose no manoeuvres and no thinking as their “move” in the match. But that's their bad choice and they get to live with the consequences of it.

And yes, it does make EVE a better game because none of it is scripted or predictable or left to easily deconstructed and manipulated “AI”. You have to actually play just a liiiittle bit better than your opponent(s) to win. In many cases, this equates to a minute amount of effort but it's still vastly more than if the game were designed differently.

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Bad guys are fine, we aren't talking about bad guys here, we are talking about people who only kill new players, and are in fact trying to invalidate or make impossible a form of playing the game that does not break the EULA in any way.... and is actually somewhat important to the overall player driven parts of the economy.
But those people don't matter because they get banned in short order since what you describe isn't allowed.
Jad-bal-jah
Oneiros Logistics
#284 - 2014-03-14 09:55:34 UTC
Kyperion
#285 - 2014-03-14 10:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyperion
To Cannibal Kane, I can already tell you are a waste of my time. War Dec me if you want, bring it. But I am not going out of my way to find your worthless carcass.

And I will be flying my beloved Ishtar, so screw off if you want a Battleship fight.
Kyperion
#286 - 2014-03-14 10:04:10 UTC
Tippia said: "But those people don't matter because they get banned in short order since what you describe isn't allowed."

....Hogwash, that is precisely what James and his filth do every day, they can only hope to kill and scam newbies.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#287 - 2014-03-14 10:28:33 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Tippia said: "But those people don't matter because they get banned in short order since what you describe isn't allowed."

....Hogwash, that is precisely what James and his filth do every day, they can only hope to kill and scam newbies.

If they did, they wouldn't have as many GM and dev statements claimng that what they're doing is within the rules of the game, and the many petitions surely levelled against them at this time would have left none of them in the game.

Harassment and griefing, especially of new players, is probably among the quickest ways to bring an immediate halt to your subscription.
Kyperion
#288 - 2014-03-14 10:31:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyperion
Tippia wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Tippia said: "But those people don't matter because they get banned in short order since what you describe isn't allowed."

....Hogwash, that is precisely what James and his filth do every day, they can only hope to kill and scam newbies.

If they did, they wouldn't have as many GM and dev statements claimng that what they're doing is within the rules of the game, and the many petitions surely levelled against them at this time would have left none of them in the game.

Harassment and griefing, especially of new players, is probably among the quickest ways to bring an immediate halt to your subscription.


Its a very thin technicality that keeps them afloat. And may not last in the long term.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#289 - 2014-03-14 10:36:07 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Its a very thin technicality that keeps them afloat. And may not last in the long term.

You mean the technicality of not breaking any rules? No, I think that one will last them quite a while.
Kyperion
#290 - 2014-03-14 10:40:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Its a very thin technicality that keeps them afloat. And may not last in the long term.

You mean the technicality of not breaking any rules? No, I think that one will last them quite a while.


No, the mechanic by which they are scamming CCP into not banning them, which is most definitely breaking the spirit of the rules. And if they ever do make the impact they claim to want to make we'll see, but they will probably eventually realize that they are only depriving themselves of content by harassing newbies. And may grow some balls for shooting wars eventually.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#291 - 2014-03-14 10:47:40 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
To Cannibal Kane, I can already tell you are a waste of my time. War Dec me if you want, bring it. But I am not going out of my way to find your worthless carcass.

And I will be flying my beloved Ishtar, so screw off if you want a Battleship fight.


So be it.... You will then loose your beloved Ishtar if I find you in space.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#292 - 2014-03-14 10:48:57 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
I understand eve is free and no rules and blah blah blah. this isnt about ccp or how they manage stuff ... this is about comunity and how full of bad ppl it is! u cant even turn around without running into somone trying to take advantage of u with a lie or something! and its almost always not even for profit or money but just beign EVIL! i mean.... i once join a ""mining/industry"" corp and in 10 mins they try to gank my freighter with alot of battleships, why? and then i almost lose a orca with nothing expensive in hold or fit because of gank? i kno harasment is not alowed (even if alot of other stuff is) so is this even reportable?
anyway thats not the point, its more..... whyy?? why do ppl go to self harm ways to hurt others? is this how pleyers act IRL too? is eve space australia?

editing.... y all the hate ppl? Sad pls stop trolling, im just trying to understand


I tested the miner ganking thing myself. mined for 3 months in a 0.5 system near Jita until i got ganked.
I have never had anything but help and support from corp members (maybe some light trolling).
scammers are generally just a backround noise in JIta and easily ignorable.
i have come to think that the people who keep being on the receiving end of this sort of stuff musst be doing something wrong to be getting such a different experience of this game.
Maybe join a decent corp (needs research) that does thing you like and makes sure you like the same things before they even accept you. Also a corp with decent security rather than the first corp that comes along with a pretty name.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Kyperion
#293 - 2014-03-14 10:52:47 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
To Cannibal Kane, I can already tell you are a waste of my time. War Dec me if you want, bring it. But I am not going out of my way to find your worthless carcass.

And I will be flying my beloved Ishtar, so screw off if you want a Battleship fight.


So be it.... You will then loose your beloved Ishtar if I find you in space.


I'll be around, but not holding my breath.


Reiisha
#294 - 2014-03-14 11:00:10 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Because this is just a game, and your in-game actions do not reflect your real world ones.


That only goes so far...

There's more than enough people in the game which play solely to be jerkwads, who are basically the same person in RL. The "me-me-me" generation who thinks it's allright to ruin everyone else's game because "only their own fun is important", and when someone else does it to them it's suddenly not OK anymore. Hypocrites who cry and whine at every little change that is in their disadvantage as if it is going to kill the game but are allright with actually gamebreaking changes which *do* play out in their advantage.


Luckily there's more than enough honorable and nice people in this game to keep on playing it (even goons!). :)

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#295 - 2014-03-14 11:00:22 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
To Cannibal Kane, I can already tell you are a waste of my time. War Dec me if you want, bring it. But I am not going out of my way to find your worthless carcass.

And I will be flying my beloved Ishtar, so screw off if you want a Battleship fight.


So be it.... You will then loose your beloved Ishtar if I find you in space.


I'll be around, but not holding my breath.




Your mouth is cashing chips your ass can't cash.

https://zkillboard.com/character/182711472/


"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

flakeys
Doomheim
#296 - 2014-03-14 11:12:31 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
I understand eve is free and no rules and blah blah blah. this isnt about ccp or how they manage stuff ... this is about comunity and how full of bad ppl it is! u cant even turn around without running into somone trying to take advantage of u with a lie or something! and its almost always not even for profit or money but just beign EVIL! i mean.... i once join a ""mining/industry"" corp and in 10 mins they try to gank my freighter with alot of battleships, why? and then i almost lose a orca with nothing expensive in hold or fit because of gank? i kno harasment is not alowed (even if alot of other stuff is) so is this even reportable?
anyway thats not the point, its more..... whyy?? why do ppl go to self harm ways to hurt others? is this how pleyers act IRL too? is eve space australia?

editing.... y all the hate ppl? Sad pls stop trolling, im just trying to understand



Let's reverse that , why are so many people playing eve as a good guy when in this game you have the chance and freedom to play a bad guy ?


On a sidenote i'm a good guy and i'm often more puzzled to my own playstyle then that of a ganker/scammer Blink.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

flakeys
Doomheim
#297 - 2014-03-14 11:15:42 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
To Cannibal Kane, I can already tell you are a waste of my time. War Dec me if you want, bring it. But I am not going out of my way to find your worthless carcass.

And I will be flying my beloved Ishtar, so screw off if you want a Battleship fight.


So be it.... You will then loose your beloved Ishtar if I find you in space.


I'll be around, but not holding my breath.




Your mouth is cashing chips your ass can't cash.

https://zkillboard.com/character/182711472/





Normally i'd say this is gonna be interesting but unless kyperion stays docked during the wardec i unfortunatly allready know what the outcome of this will be .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Kyperion
#298 - 2014-03-14 11:27:10 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
To Cannibal Kane, I can already tell you are a waste of my time. War Dec me if you want, bring it. But I am not going out of my way to find your worthless carcass.

And I will be flying my beloved Ishtar, so screw off if you want a Battleship fight.


So be it.... You will then loose your beloved Ishtar if I find you in space.


I'll be around, but not holding my breath.




Your mouth is cashing chips your ass can't cash.

https://zkillboard.com/character/182711472/




yes because a player who has waffled between missioning, industry, mining, and even trading in an NPC corp for most of his EVE career cares about killmail epeens.

Yet another example of your level of stupidity
Salvos Rhoska
#299 - 2014-03-14 11:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Storytime!

Yesterday I arrived in an icebelt with my whitless sideproject mining alt (whom I regret, and detest almost on a personal level, and have no idea why I do it to myself) to find a Covetor blasting away surrounded by three cans. Upon closer inspection, they where indeed each filled to the brim with ice.

This caused a number of reactions in me that I found interesting.

Primary among them, was my own bitterness from earlier in my own mining career in a Venture when I tried to compete with fleets of multiboxed Mackinaws with Orca support in Ore Anomalies (which is why I made the alt, as I wanted to make use of those and my OCD chafed at them popping up in my home constellation and me not being able to do anything about it). I went to somewhat elaborate extents to avoid what I perceived as risks, such as dumping each load at a safe bookmark, and the little trick of renaming my can next to me as a "Small Secure Container' (oh how xlever I am!). At first I would pick up my stash with a lumbering Mammoth (again, thinking I was clever to have researched how to use Giant Secure containers to Planck up my cargospace, only to realise the Miasmos exists. So I got one of them then. All of this cost me ISK, research time online, ingame time away from the belt, and use of my noggin (a painful enterprise).

Anyways, all this I had done, as a prudent precaution in my tiny Venture. And here this guy is, greedily blasting away surrounded by 12mil of ice in neat packages. That rubbed something the wrong way in me.

So I sent the guy a Chat request, and upon him acceppting it (to his credit almoost immediately), I asked why he was jet canning. He said something to the effect of "lol just trying it out emoticon emoticon". I hate emoticons. My ire was raised further.

Inlooked at the clock and made a decision. I informed him he had 10mins to clear out his cans, or "we" would take them. Ofc, I dont actually have any backup except my main, so I could conceivably have taken atleast two. He aquiesced to my ultimatum, and immediately started moving his cans. I felt gratifued by this, not because I had manipulated someones behavior, but because now I no longer had to stare at the offending cans as a testimony to his greed and total disregard for precautions (which I had myself gone to lengths to ensure in my own career).

All was well in the world, the belt was cleared with him also having time to mine some more after completing his task.
Then I received his ingame mail. He had apparently checked my account age etc, and now started insulting me about bullying, how I should growup, how I probably have no friends and in no unclear terms what a bastard and asshat I am. And promptly blocked me.

All this because I gave him 10mins warning to clear his cans, whereas I could have simply started taking them.

So who is the bad guy in this situation?
Who is the one with the attitude problem?


I thinknthis reflects very well on what OP is saying in arather negative light, and her attitude, to me, is the same this miner had, and one I have to say I find extremely offensive, immature and disrespectful of other players both as ingame actors and real people behind the screen. A distinct lack of introspectiin and empathy on their part, and a selfish focus on only ones own motives and benefit, with little regard of that of others.
Kyperion
#300 - 2014-03-14 11:28:05 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
To Cannibal Kane, I can already tell you are a waste of my time. War Dec me if you want, bring it. But I am not going out of my way to find your worthless carcass.

And I will be flying my beloved Ishtar, so screw off if you want a Battleship fight.


So be it.... You will then loose your beloved Ishtar if I find you in space.


I'll be around, but not holding my breath.




Your mouth is cashing chips your ass can't cash.

https://zkillboard.com/character/182711472/





Normally i'd say this is gonna be interesting but unless kyperion stays docked during the wardec i unfortunatly allready know what the outcome of this will be .


The moron probably doesn't even know HOW to wardec because he's too busy eating himself