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Why is lowsec such a complete pain to do anything in?
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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-03-14 03:04:11 UTC
Lots of people run sites in lowsec, you may be in the wrong spot if you're getting caught so often.
Ralen Zateki
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-03-14 03:15:18 UTC
I've recently started planning to move to low sec.

Notice I said planning. My more experienced corp mates warned me to do a couple of things:

1. Stay away from this area and this area... it's "xx corp" or "yy corp" space and they'll kick your ass.
2. Scout the systems first, get to know who comes and goes and who lives there.
3. Get to know some of the locals... on good terms or at least indifferent terms.
4. Get to know the surrounding systems and find a spot with relatively low action.
5. Be prepared to take a week or longer to scout... pops fluctuate depending on day of the week or time of day.

So... I've started doing small runs in and out. Systems that are crazy full or when I find myself feeling boxed in and highly threatened it's a no brainer that that's not gonna be a place for my new home.

I'm still looking. But I'll find it eventually.

Good luck.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-03-14 03:18:03 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I decided to go to lowsec. nice quiet system or so I thought. I saw a drone combat site. I had recently been poor from a lot of ship losses but I had just mined a bunch. So I go buy a myrmidon to do this site and what happens.

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

All
Day
Long

I can't get enough time Just to do the damn site. I have a corp with T3's, vargurs and faction cruisers show up to camp the station for 2 hours.

Then I get caught by a guy with a vexor and vengeance later when they leave. Just another guy and his alts. They can't kill me. But when my help arrives they wont show up because now he has an armageddon, then I die finally. He couldn't kill me on his own, but didn't have friends. So what does he do? ALTS!

I can't do one single site in lowsec. One. Single. Site. At. All. On top of the fact that I keep losing not to multiple people, but one guy whos got a ton of alts.

Not only is lowsec irritating enough but now it's an "alts to win" game.

Whole game is like this. Come down to Hub-Zero in Stain. We have a loose organization of people there who don't shoot everyone on sight. There are a bunch of life's rejects around stain but they're cowards and generally too scared to attack unless you're 110% vulnerable.

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#24 - 2014-03-14 03:27:52 UTC
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at OP's confusion. I mean, we even went to the trouble to put up signs explaining that PvE was not allowed in one of our lowsec systems, and we still have to spend significant time killing people that apparently cannot read.

This illiteracy makes me sad. Reading is fundamental, folks.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-03-14 07:41:58 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Whole game is like this. Come down to Hub-Zero in Stain. We have a loose organization of people there who don't shoot everyone on sight. There are a bunch of life's rejects around stain but they're cowards and generally too scared to attack unless you're 110% vulnerable.


First time I ever saw "organized" and "Stain" used in the same sentence :D
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-03-14 08:07:39 UTC
I don't have any suggestions for OP.. he's much more experienced than I am.

I just wanted to add my observation about responses in this thread to him. It seems like the OP knows what he's doing in dangerous territory (lowsec), and his posting history is consistent with that. As a result the responses to him seem to be constructive, too.

I think a lot of folks think that this forum (and by extension, EVE) is a meat grinder, but I think that a lot of the sentiment may be reciprocal..

/蘭

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Babar Baboli
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-03-14 08:12:22 UTC
I've been living in low almost all of my eve career. Here's my two cents.
I'd say you picked the wrong system.

If it's something I've learned during the years, it is that you just don't "go" or "move" to a certain lowsec system without scouting it.

I scouted my current homeregion for about a week before deciding to move there.
It's tedious as hell but it will save you a lot of time and isk in the long run.

Just jumping into a random lowsecsystem do to a site can be really dangerous.
Lowsec is full of bored ppl, and bored ppl is usually the most aggressive ones.


Pro-tip of the day. Don't do combat anoms, only do combat sites that you have to scan down.
That way you can GTFO when you see combat scanner probes on d-scan.
Always spam d-scan when you're not alone in a system.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#28 - 2014-03-14 08:17:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
masternerdguy wrote:
Or you could talk to people and become friends. That helps too.


I agree. That's why you'll notice the trend of actual groups of people are usually a lot more willing to negotiate and form alliances while the 26 account basement trolls are mentally little more than plants.


Infinity Ziona wrote:
Come down to Hub-Zero in Stain. We have a loose organization of people there who don't shoot everyone on sight. There are a bunch of life's rejects around Stain but they're cowards and generally too scared to attack unless you're 110% vulnerable.


Spelling... perfect.
Grammar... fine.
Posting... intelligent.
Forum... general discussion.

It's like finding a diamond in a septic tank. Shocked

/tears of joy

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Shaishi Otichoda
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-03-14 08:27:53 UTC
Babar Baboli wrote:
Pro-tip of the day. Don't do combat anoms, only do combat sites that you have to scan down.
That way you can GTFO when you see combat scanner probes on d-scan.
Always spam d-scan when you're not alone in a system.


This. Except don't be surprised if "locals" in the system have already scanned down the sites in advance. In that case you don't see probes. You can also run sites that have gates. That forces the attackers to uncloak when they enter.
Babar Baboli
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-03-14 08:45:14 UTC
Shaishi Otichoda wrote:
Babar Baboli wrote:
Pro-tip of the day. Don't do combat anoms, only do combat sites that you have to scan down.
That way you can GTFO when you see combat scanner probes on d-scan.
Always spam d-scan when you're not alone in a system.


This. Except don't be surprised if "locals" in the system have already scanned down the sites in advance. In that case you don't see probes. You can also run sites that have gates. That forces the attackers to uncloak when they enter.


This happened a corpmate of mine recently.
We didn't figure out wtf happened until a couple of hours later.

I'd say that the situation is rare though.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2014-03-14 09:08:24 UTC
Simple: because it has an insanely high cost for securing the space you need to do what you want to do compared to other sections of the game.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#32 - 2014-03-14 09:40:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Simple: because it has an insanely high cost for securing the space you need to do what you want to do compared to other sections of the game.


And that is why you do not secure space: that's futile. Instead, I treat PVE sites as potential areas to gank ratters / explorers. Should oppurtunity arise, I might run the content myself. But then we're talking about a system I know from the back of my hand, with a couple friends on comms and (most of ) local being blue. You have to create your own conditions.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-03-14 09:42:26 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I decided to go to lowsec. nice quiet system or so I thought. I saw a drone combat site. I had recently been poor from a lot of ship losses but I had just mined a bunch. So I go buy a myrmidon to do this site and what happens.

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

All
Day
Long

I can't get enough time Just to do the damn site. I have a corp with T3's, vargurs and faction cruisers show up to camp the station for 2 hours.

Then I get caught by a guy with a vexor and vengeance later when they leave. Just another guy and his alts. They can't kill me. But when my help arrives they wont show up because now he has an armageddon, then I die finally. He couldn't kill me on his own, but didn't have friends. So what does he do? ALTS!

I can't do one single site in lowsec. One. Single. Site. At. All. On top of the fact that I keep losing not to multiple people, but one guy whos got a ton of alts.

Not only is lowsec irritating enough but now it's an "alts to win" game.


Biomass

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    [#savethelance]
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#34 - 2014-03-14 09:48:36 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
nice quiet system or so I thought.
...
People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

All
Day
Long


Really? Just find yourself a quiet system, that's actually quiet. They exist. Sometimes you can even live in a large alliance staging system, because time zones are cool for that.
Eelis Kiy
Revelation Space
#35 - 2014-03-14 09:54:41 UTC
I've been away from the game for a while but I assume you can still look up on the map for systems with a lot of kills going on. A system that is empty when you arrive is not necessarily a "quiet" one.

That said you always need to be ready to fight or flee - Low-sec isn't known for being a peacefull pve place. That's what 0.0 is for P
Ambo
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#36 - 2014-03-14 11:29:58 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
People are so persistant my corp used me as bait and they killed 2 guys.


So you had some fights, lost a ship or two, killed these guys... and you're COMPLAINING?!
Apart from the loses, what is not to like about that situation?
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#37 - 2014-03-14 13:20:40 UTC
Babar Baboli wrote:
I've been living in low almost all of my eve career. Here's my two cents.
I'd say you picked the wrong system.

If it's something I've learned during the years, it is that you just don't "go" or "move" to a certain lowsec system without scouting it.

I scouted my current homeregion for about a week before deciding to move there.
It's tedious as hell but it will save you a lot of time and isk in the long run.

Just jumping into a random lowsecsystem do to a site can be really dangerous.
Lowsec is full of bored ppl, and bored ppl is usually the most aggressive ones.


Pro-tip of the day. Don't do combat anoms, only do combat sites that you have to scan down.
That way you can GTFO when you see combat scanner probes on d-scan.
Always spam d-scan when you're not alone in a system.



Super-pro-tip: dont do sites in systems where there are people you dont know. Frequently the first thing the residents of a low sec system do when they log on is scan and BM all of the cosmic sigs. That way you dont even get the warning of combat probes before you are tackled.

Honestly, lowsec is filled with empty or near empty systems - if you are just a day tripper its easy enough to avoid the systems where the resident pirates live.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#38 - 2014-03-14 13:33:58 UTC
I literally spent the previous day mining jaspet with no issues. I can down a huge 9 room drone site with mass loots and this is the result.

Is it possible to tell a system is full of scan able anomalies through the map? Maybe that's why everyone kept showing up.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2014-03-14 13:39:06 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Simple: because it has an insanely high cost for securing the space you need to do what you want to do compared to other sections of the game.

And that is why you do not secure space: that's futile. Instead, I treat PVE sites as potential areas to gank ratters / explorers. Should oppurtunity arise, I might run the content myself. But then we're talking about a system I know from the back of my hand, with a couple friends on comms and (most of ) local being blue. You have to create your own conditions.

Oh, sure, but that implies a different lifestyle than I think the OP was going for. For his particular wishes, the futility of it all is what makes what he's trying to do such a pain.
Babar Baboli
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2014-03-14 13:48:09 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Babar Baboli wrote:
I've been living in low almost all of my eve career. Here's my two cents.
I'd say you picked the wrong system.

If it's something I've learned during the years, it is that you just don't "go" or "move" to a certain lowsec system without scouting it.

I scouted my current homeregion for about a week before deciding to move there.
It's tedious as hell but it will save you a lot of time and isk in the long run.

Just jumping into a random lowsecsystem do to a site can be really dangerous.
Lowsec is full of bored ppl, and bored ppl is usually the most aggressive ones.


Pro-tip of the day. Don't do combat anoms, only do combat sites that you have to scan down.
That way you can GTFO when you see combat scanner probes on d-scan.
Always spam d-scan when you're not alone in a system.



Super-pro-tip: dont do sites in systems where there are people you dont know. Frequently the first thing the residents of a low sec system do when they log on is scan and BM all of the cosmic sigs. That way you dont even get the warning of combat probes before you are tackled.

Honestly, lowsec is filled with empty or near empty systems - if you are just a day tripper its easy enough to avoid the systems where the resident pirates live.


Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
That was kind of the point of my post :-)