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Butter Dog
ANTARES.
#101 - 2011-11-29 22:00:10 UTC
the new font looks like something from a nursery school book, and it's ****** up my overview with its immense size
E Wan
The Positron
#102 - 2011-11-29 22:00:26 UTC
Ohanka wrote:
E Wan wrote:
Brujo Loco wrote:
Even though I know the change might be awful for some people, my 23 Inches LCD at 1920 over 3 feet from my leather couch and hence me say Thanx, I can finally read. No more squinting. I just hope this new font enables people to add diff types of it to the whole UI instead of just the new one. I for one would love ol'trusty arial to the ui.


Mate, no one says that change is awful, it's not playable on 15"... that is 8" diagonally smaller then your screen. With font like this, there is barely screen left to play or see new effect of warp/mwd etc...


oh yes it is.


It is not, you should also understand people on huge/wide screens with big resolutions, playing on Plasma TV's and things!
Little Delicious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#103 - 2011-11-29 22:00:40 UTC
E Wan wrote:

As a graphic designer you should take care of each and every customer.


first of all as a graphic designer you should know your audience, and if the audience you're delivering information to is 300,000+ individuals who play a graphically intensive video game in 2011, you're not going to be designing for a 15'' macbook. This font solution has immensly fewer legibility issues for a far larger portion of the people playing this game.


E Wan wrote:

Also you should know that letter spacing should be same no matter what size.


i really lolled at this. where did you learn this little "fact"? because that's definitely not the case. letters occupy space differently and interact with the characters next to them differnetly, spacing every character the same looks awkward and hinders legibility.

so in conclusion, you're a ******* ninnie.
Jita Alt666
#104 - 2011-11-29 22:03:33 UTC
Old Font: Crisp Clear fitted game well. 0O S5 1I B8 etc etc too similar to allow free flowing reading of system names or anomoly index etc

New Font: Cartoony, does not scale well. but very readable.

To the people saying: "what was the issue with the old font?" SIGH:


its a big issue

lots of people hated the old font
ucntkilme
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2011-11-29 22:05:36 UTC
E Wan wrote:
ucntkilme wrote:
The font is fine... People forget the reason for the font change and that is to increase scalability of the game itself.

As a player who plays eve on a very large TV, the old font was unreadable at best. I would have to get 3 inches from the screen in order to vaguely make anything readable.

On my TV i set my UI scaling to 110% and it works perfect, while on my monitor I set it to 90% and it looks okay. Now I would however like to get the fonts even smaller on my monitors (non TV's) so having an 80 and 75% UI scale would be a good thing.

But in really the whole 'i hate this font!' is nothing new, we've hated the old font for years and now you hate the new font. CCP will never be able to cater to everyone, nor should they. With this patch the new font is all about UI scalability, and that functionality works surprisingly well. So great job on that CCP - much appreciated.

For all you whiners out there, scale your UI down to 90% and if the chat fonts are still too large click the a- button on your chat windows to reduce the size and it looks great. That is until CCP implements or decides if they implement different scalability options.

If that doesn't work for you and you still want to act like stupid insolent children feel free to visit the account management page and cancel your subscriptions and never play EVE again. Honestly, no one will miss you and your disappearance from the game will only make EVE a better world for the rest of us.

Thus far, great job on the patch CCP! Excited to see more of this new side from you, hope it continues in this positive way for many patches to come!!



Unbelievable comments... no one hates new font! It is a good thing, but for some people. For others game is not usable! How can't you understand this before answering? Can you hook up with 15" screen and see what we are all talking about. Lower resolution to approx 1200 or 1300 pixels width and see what we are talking.

Of course if you not using EVE as a chat application only this is a good change.


So no one hates the font? What about all the posts and messages in game stating 'I hate this new font!'?

Also, if you have a 15 inch screen you need to seriously rethink owning a computer at all. If you own a 15 inch screen tell your mommy to take you to best buy and get at least a 20 inch screen for 100 dollars...

And last but not least, if you're paying 15 dollars a month to use eve as a chat program you may as well sign up on eharmony instead. or better yet, facebook is free!
E Wan
The Positron
#106 - 2011-11-29 22:08:10 UTC  |  Edited by: E Wan
Little Delicious wrote:
E Wan wrote:

As a graphic designer you should take care of each and every customer.


first of all as a graphic designer you should know your audience, and if the audience you're delivering information to is 300,000+ individuals who play a graphically intensive video game in 2011, you're not going to be designing for a 15'' macbook. This font solution has immensly fewer legibility issues for a far larger portion of the people playing this game.


E Wan wrote:

Also you should know that letter spacing should be same no matter what size.


i really lolled at this. where did you learn this little "fact"? because that's definitely not the case. letters occupy space differently and interact with the characters next to them differnetly, spacing every character the same looks awkward and hinders legibility.

so in conclusion, you're a ******* ninnie.


I'm not going to talk about this with you any further because you are not in the 2011 year when everything is going handheld and portable. If you see this as OK letter spacing i feel sorry for your clients -> Wallet Spacing ... Also you should try to narrow down font in chat with their tool and see how font reacts.

Anyway... new font is a huge problem for a lot of people, it might be a lot better and good for some, maybe even for most of the subscribers but it's making a lot of people not able to play.
David Rivard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2011-11-29 22:08:22 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Salpun wrote:
E Wan wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Vaaron Remar wrote:
I have great problems using the new UI/Font (screen resolution 1680 x 1050). Evil

The new font ist way better readable than the old one, yes BUT !!!:

Setting UI scale to 100% and any icon looks good and everything ist scaled okay except the font in the menus, it's way too big.
If I want to see more than 4 columns the overview-window takes easily 1/3 to 1/2 of the screen (font-size in settings changes as usual only context menu font size). Changing UI-size to 90% makes the overview-font more tolerable (but not good!) but buttons and column headers are so tiny you have to guess what's written there. The relation between UI-scale and font-size doesn't seem to fit. It's possible to change the font-size in chat-windows and in the context-menu why is it not possible in overview ??? It's one, if not THE most important window in the game. It has lots of useful columns you want to have at hand in fight but showing them in a reasonable way without blocking the whole screen isn't possible anymore.

Hope there will be some fix soon Cry


There's an option in the overview settings to use small font Blink


Is there such an option for all UI windows?


Not yet but might be added later.
keep asking for itTwisted


Nope, just added for the overview because as that fine man said, it's one of the most important window in the game and some people display more columns than others there Smile


Trolling?
Leo Monaco
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#108 - 2011-11-29 22:11:01 UTC
The font looks like something off a playstation 1

I dont like this

Sort it out please
Dinta Zembo
Tea. Earl Grey. Cold.
#109 - 2011-11-29 22:12:11 UTC
Just give us the option to choose one of the fonts and everybody is happy!
Is it THAT hard to build in?
E Wan
The Positron
#110 - 2011-11-29 22:14:36 UTC
ucntkilme wrote:
E Wan wrote:
ucntkilme wrote:
The font is fine... People forget the reason for the font change and that is to increase scalability of the game itself.

As a player who plays eve on a very large TV, the old font was unreadable at best. I would have to get 3 inches from the screen in order to vaguely make anything readable.

On my TV i set my UI scaling to 110% and it works perfect, while on my monitor I set it to 90% and it looks okay. Now I would however like to get the fonts even smaller on my monitors (non TV's) so having an 80 and 75% UI scale would be a good thing.

But in really the whole 'i hate this font!' is nothing new, we've hated the old font for years and now you hate the new font. CCP will never be able to cater to everyone, nor should they. With this patch the new font is all about UI scalability, and that functionality works surprisingly well. So great job on that CCP - much appreciated.

For all you whiners out there, scale your UI down to 90% and if the chat fonts are still too large click the a- button on your chat windows to reduce the size and it looks great. That is until CCP implements or decides if they implement different scalability options.

If that doesn't work for you and you still want to act like stupid insolent children feel free to visit the account management page and cancel your subscriptions and never play EVE again. Honestly, no one will miss you and your disappearance from the game will only make EVE a better world for the rest of us.

Thus far, great job on the patch CCP! Excited to see more of this new side from you, hope it continues in this positive way for many patches to come!!



Unbelievable comments... no one hates new font! It is a good thing, but for some people. For others game is not usable! How can't you understand this before answering? Can you hook up with 15" screen and see what we are all talking about. Lower resolution to approx 1200 or 1300 pixels width and see what we are talking.

Of course if you not using EVE as a chat application only this is a good change.


So no one hates the font? What about all the posts and messages in game stating 'I hate this new font!'?

Also, if you have a 15 inch screen you need to seriously rethink owning a computer at all. If you own a 15 inch screen tell your mommy to take you to best buy and get at least a 20 inch screen for 100 dollars...

And last but not least, if you're paying 15 dollars a month to use eve as a chat program you may as well sign up on eharmony instead. or better yet, facebook is free!


As a matter of fact it seems that you are still to young to know what you are writing about and you really should not post to these forums and make real issues look funny and insulting which is by the way against EULA.
Girgem
Ore and More Corp.
#111 - 2011-11-29 22:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Girgem
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Vaaron Remar wrote:
I have great problems using the new UI/Font (screen resolution 1680 x 1050). Evil

The new font ist way better readable than the old one, yes BUT !!!:

Setting UI scale to 100% and any icon looks good and everything ist scaled okay except the font in the menus, it's way too big.
If I want to see more than 4 columns the overview-window takes easily 1/3 to 1/2 of the screen (font-size in settings changes as usual only context menu font size). Changing UI-size to 90% makes the overview-font more tolerable (but not good!) but buttons and column headers are so tiny you have to guess what's written there. The relation between UI-scale and font-size doesn't seem to fit. It's possible to change the font-size in chat-windows and in the context-menu why is it not possible in overview ??? It's one, if not THE most important window in the game. It has lots of useful columns you want to have at hand in fight but showing them in a reasonable way without blocking the whole screen isn't possible anymore.

Hope there will be some fix soon Cry


There's an option in the overview settings to use small font Blink


@Punkturis can you show me a screenshot? I am blinded by the new font and I cannot see this option ;-)

So now "butter bei die fische" I don't like the new font. it hurts in my eyes. after I start the game for the first time after the patch it was like a burning hot needle stich in my eye.

I don't understand what is so difficult to implement an option for font changing? or at least to change the size!
The font size in the contex menue you can change but not for the UI font. That's not consequent!

Now I tried it several times but I don't get familiar with this new font too big and hard-edged. It's unplayable.

I want back the old font or at least the option to change the font.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#112 - 2011-11-29 22:18:36 UTC
Girgem wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Vaaron Remar wrote:
I have great problems using the new UI/Font (screen resolution 1680 x 1050). Evil

The new font ist way better readable than the old one, yes BUT !!!:

Setting UI scale to 100% and any icon looks good and everything ist scaled okay except the font in the menus, it's way too big.
If I want to see more than 4 columns the overview-window takes easily 1/3 to 1/2 of the screen (font-size in settings changes as usual only context menu font size). Changing UI-size to 90% makes the overview-font more tolerable (but not good!) but buttons and column headers are so tiny you have to guess what's written there. The relation between UI-scale and font-size doesn't seem to fit. It's possible to change the font-size in chat-windows and in the context-menu why is it not possible in overview ??? It's one, if not THE most important window in the game. It has lots of useful columns you want to have at hand in fight but showing them in a reasonable way without blocking the whole screen isn't possible anymore.

Hope there will be some fix soon Cry


There's an option in the overview settings to use small font Blink


@Punkturis can you show me a screenshot? I am blinded by the new font and I cannot see this option ;-)

So now "butter bei die fische" I don't like the new font. it hurts in my eyes. after I start the game for the first time after the patch it was like a burning hot needle stich in my eye.

I don't understand what is so difficult to implement an option for font changing? or at least to change the size!
The font size in the contex menue you can change but not for the UI font. That's not consequent!

Now I tried it several times but I don't get familiar with this new font too big and hard-edged. It's unplayable.

I want back the old font or at least the option to change the font.


over view font size can be changed in the overview options menu using the overview options tab in the upleft

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#113 - 2011-11-29 22:19:09 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Old Font: Crisp Clear fitted game well. 0O S5 1I B8 etc etc too similar to allow free flowing reading of system names or anomoly index etc

New Font: Cartoony, does not scale well. but very readable.

To the people saying: "what was the issue with the old font?" SIGH:


its a big issue

lots of people hated the old font


This.

As others have stated, the old EVE font was fundamentally flawed. This became very, very evident in Null or WH space where determining your system name/designation was well nigh impossible in many cases.

Dozens of threads have been written about need for a more legible font, and thousands of people have demanded it for years. If you find yourself admiring the old font in comparison, get used to being in the VAST minority.

I'm sorry if some of you don't like the looks of the new font, but legibility absolutely takes priority over style or minor scaling issues. That's a given.

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Little Delicious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#114 - 2011-11-29 22:19:22 UTC
E Wan wrote:

I'm not going to talk about this with you any further because you are not in the 2011 year when everything is going handheld and portable. If you see this as OK letter spacing i feel sorry for your clients -> Wallet Spacing ... Also you should try to narrow down font in chat with their tool and see how font reacts.

Anyway... new font is a huge problem for a lot of people, it might be a lot better and good for some, maybe even for most of the subscribers but it's making a lot of people not able to play.


oh wow this is just getting more and more hilarious. oh yes, they should have kept handheld devices in mind when designing hte new font, so many people are playing eve on their tablets, eve should really start moving in the direction of a flash game for download on the android app market. you're a complete tool.

the wallet spacing is actually pretty nice, with the old font i'd have to sit there and quadruple check how much money i was sending/receiving because the numbers were spaced far too close. the new wallet spacing has a nice rhythm that makes it extremely easy to know exactly how much of what is going where.

and just to reiterate: TOOL.
ucntkilme
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2011-11-29 22:20:58 UTC
E Wan wrote:
ucntkilme wrote:
E Wan wrote:
ucntkilme wrote:
The font is fine... People forget the reason for the font change and that is to increase scalability of the game itself.

As a player who plays eve on a very large TV, the old font was unreadable at best. I would have to get 3 inches from the screen in order to vaguely make anything readable.

On my TV i set my UI scaling to 110% and it works perfect, while on my monitor I set it to 90% and it looks okay. Now I would however like to get the fonts even smaller on my monitors (non TV's) so having an 80 and 75% UI scale would be a good thing.

But in really the whole 'i hate this font!' is nothing new, we've hated the old font for years and now you hate the new font. CCP will never be able to cater to everyone, nor should they. With this patch the new font is all about UI scalability, and that functionality works surprisingly well. So great job on that CCP - much appreciated.

For all you whiners out there, scale your UI down to 90% and if the chat fonts are still too large click the a- button on your chat windows to reduce the size and it looks great. That is until CCP implements or decides if they implement different scalability options.

If that doesn't work for you and you still want to act like stupid insolent children feel free to visit the account management page and cancel your subscriptions and never play EVE again. Honestly, no one will miss you and your disappearance from the game will only make EVE a better world for the rest of us.

Thus far, great job on the patch CCP! Excited to see more of this new side from you, hope it continues in this positive way for many patches to come!!



Unbelievable comments... no one hates new font! It is a good thing, but for some people. For others game is not usable! How can't you understand this before answering? Can you hook up with 15" screen and see what we are all talking about. Lower resolution to approx 1200 or 1300 pixels width and see what we are talking.

Of course if you not using EVE as a chat application only this is a good change.


So no one hates the font? What about all the posts and messages in game stating 'I hate this new font!'?

Also, if you have a 15 inch screen you need to seriously rethink owning a computer at all. If you own a 15 inch screen tell your mommy to take you to best buy and get at least a 20 inch screen for 100 dollars...

And last but not least, if you're paying 15 dollars a month to use eve as a chat program you may as well sign up on eharmony instead. or better yet, facebook is free!


As a matter of fact it seems that you are still to young to know what you are writing about and you really should not post to these forums and make real issues look funny and insulting which is by the way against EULA.


Yes, I am too young to know what I am talking about yet I am not the one on a 15 inch screen now am I? The font is only an issue if you are too dimwitted to understand UI scalability. The font is only an issue if you have a computer that is about as good as a paper weight.

But font aside, and your tiny monitor (I don't think I have had a 15 inch monitor since somewhere around 1990?).. if the font is really the only thing people have 'issues' with, wouldn't you call that a blazing success for CCP given their past performances with patches? Because I certainly would.
Dinta Zembo
Tea. Earl Grey. Cold.
#116 - 2011-11-29 22:24:42 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
As others have stated, the old EVE font was fundamentally flawed. This became very, very evident in Null or WH space where determining your system name/designation was well nigh impossible in many cases.



Drag the system name from top left into your chat. There you go. No more need to read the name.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#117 - 2011-11-29 22:30:24 UTC
Dinta Zembo wrote:
Drag the system name from top left into your chat. There you go. No more need to read the name.
Takes too long and distracts from other activities; not compatible with TS/Vent.
Xtraneous
Sam's Space Guys
#118 - 2011-11-29 22:31:25 UTC
New font is excellent. I'll admit first time I saw it on Sisi I wasn't a big fan, but it does grow on you and I now prefer it over the old font.
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2011-11-29 22:31:57 UTC
ucntkilme wrote:
Yes, I am too young to know what I am talking about yet I am not the one on a 15 inch screen now am I? The font is only an issue if you are too dimwitted to understand UI scalability. The font is only an issue if you have a computer that is about as good as a paper weight.

But font aside, and your tiny monitor (I don't think I have had a 15 inch monitor since somewhere around 1990?).. if the font is really the only thing people have 'issues' with, wouldn't you call that a blazing success for CCP given their past performances with patches? Because I certainly would.


I presumed you missed the post where he said he was playing it on a 15" screen laptop?

I have size issues on my 19" non-widescreen, I've already posted that it makes all my windows quite a bit bigger, to the extent I have less information available.

Now CCP Punkturis told us about the "small font" setting for the overview at least that's tolerable (even it doesn't apply to my drone window), but all my other windows require that same option in order for me to play the game as easy as I did with the last font.

I think that's a valid complaint about the new font don't you?

(And no, I can't afford to replace a perfectly working screen at the moment before you say I, and others, should do just that).
Dinta Zembo
Tea. Earl Grey. Cold.
#120 - 2011-11-29 22:35:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dinta Zembo wrote:
Drag the system name from top left into your chat. There you go. No more need to read the name.
Takes too long and distracts from other activities; not compatible with TS/Vent.




I think the whole right click thing takes a lot longer than dragging and dropping (and 'distracts from other activities' just as much).

Not compatible with TS/Vent.. well I don't get this.. I normally link system names in channels anyway.