EVE General Discussion

Is it just me of have there been a rash of whiney as hell new player "wah why doesn't this game cater to me and make me a God" posts in GD lately?

Someone puppetting the hell out of their socks mayhaps?

To filter out people by how much potential experience and know-how they have with the game.

Why would a lowsec pirate corp bother with someone that doesn't know how to, for example, kite? Granted, 20 mil sp doesn't guarantee that a pilot knows how to do this, but at least they might be familiar with basic concepts such as transverse velocity, keep at range, orbit, pulsing mwd, overheating mwd, operational ranges of the various points, scrams, and neuts in the game, etc. etc. Almost no pvp corp will want to teach a day 1 character how to use a stargate.

It is much, much easier to teach someone that is familiar with at least some of the above. A high SP requirement coupled with a decent KB requirement can make that a lot more likely in a potential recruit.

How is that viewpoint any less cynical?

PVP corps require skillpoints because skillpoints are a huge factor in determining how effective you are in combat.
People tell you skillpoints don't matter because they don't want you to be effective in combat.
Pretty simple.

I'm a fairly new player and posts like this annoy the hell out of me too.

First, you make an exaggerated claim. No one is saying a day 1 player is gonna own anyone. And that video that got posted are of weeks or a month old player who clearly has trained for a specific fit directly... which means their overall flexibility and base of skills is not very well developed and they will eventually have to deal with that.

Second... posts like this imply that there's nothing to do or nothing u can do as a new player. Which is just crap. I've been making a decent amount of ISK (by new player standards) in my first month... in fact... closing in on a billion in ISK and assets. I've been enjoying the hell out of it while I grind out some core skills.

I've found a solid corp to roll with. We have fun, they encourage me to play the game the way I want... but to also not rush and stay in frigs and T1 cruisers for as long as I can while I skill up cores that will make transitioning to larger vessels easier.

I've been in on multiple kills now in small gang roams and am learning a ton.

Finally... this isn't a freaking single player game. Sure, I enjoy the solo PVP vids as much as the next... and I've already started roaming on my own looking for a fight... but largely there just isn't a lot of single PVP combat. So saying you can't do anything as a new single player and that it's unfair is not only an exaggeration and inaccuate, but also a mis-characterization of the game itself.

So suck it up buttercup. Find something to do and have fun with... if anything there's too damn much to do. Find some a good corps that you can do some roams... or even team up with a handful of other noobs and go nuts. But have fun..

The gap does close if you keep swimming.

Lots (well 3 or 4) threads lately by the instant gratification types!
Is EVE a PvP game? If it is, is it a strategic PvP game or a FPS type PvP game?
A while back when they were making DUST one of the devs suggested in a post that EVE was more of a strategic type of PvP game.
Therefore, I would suggest to the people whining about not being able to fly a titan on their first day in game and establishing SOV in Goon territory by the next, to give DUST a try. It is seems to be the FPS you are trying to turn EVE into.
Then when you get bored come back to EvE and earn your credibility. Until then please stop trying to turn EVE into what it is not.
It is not, and hopefully never will be, an instant gratification pay to win game like what many skill point whiners seem to desire.

Do you think you're a better person because you choose to play EVE over other MMOs?

Because you're not.

You can stop trolling now. You've had it explained how new players can have fun and get involved and you just keep syrawmanning and using predjudicial languahe to ignore it. Appeal to ridicule does not counter the points made.

They are morons, requiring SP is basically a billboard for "I am a terrible corporation please don't join me." The exceptions are corporations with a separate devoted training corporations.

This is correct.

Any person in a corporation that has a minimum amount of skill points requirement and tries to persuade new players to play the game is a hypocrite and should be labled and treated as such.

if you want new people to play, then you have to be willing to want to teach and play the game with them. Contradicting your statements with your actions of refusing new people to join you through your artificially created limitation of a skill point limit deserves to be called a hypocrite.

This game is full of hypocrites.

Trying to be ~elite~ and keep the killboard green while isolating yourself in your chosen echo chamber of autism has historically not worked well. Look at TEST for an example. Newbies are the lifeblood of a corporation.