EVE General Discussion

I didn't ask about your feelings. If I wanted information about your feelings, I would ask for it. I did not. I do not.

Do you care about my feelings?
Clearly you did not, else you would not have offended me by refusing to answer a simple, direct and neutral question.
To add insult to existing offence, you then threw aspersions and speculation at me right after I had asked the question.

Since you did not care about my feelings when you refused to answer my query, why should I reciprocally care about yours?

Have you asked me how I feel? Have you asked me how my day has been? No.
Do you want to discuss your feelings with me?
Shall we have a great big feels party so that you can further evade from the original question?

You chose not to answer. Fine. I will draw my own conclusions from that.
And they are that your avatar does not resemble your actual person.
And furthermore that your actual name is not Divine Entervention.
Both of which, or either of which, is sufficient to prove that you, by choice, do not portray or conduct yourself ingame as you do without it.

Furthermore, there is no evidence, anywhere, that you follow your own moral precepts either ingame or out of it.
As far as I know, you don't even play the game, and pay account time just to spout your trolling nonsense here.

As I suggested earlier, kindly go start a blog, or even better, start creating content ingame inline with your ludicrous moral crusade and pontification, and put your so far empty words into action. Do anything else, just not this endless forum spamming. Mostly cs you aren't even any good at it. Stuff reads like an angsty emo teen from an ok family with an existential and moral crisis conflicting with his raging hormones and inability to get laid.

And you still have not batted an eyelid at what your crony said to Tippia.

There are some amazing leaps and bounds being made in the field of psychology right here.

Imagine the possibilities - Psychiatrists who can diagnose complex social and personality disorders simply by getting their clients to post on the EVE forums.

Where do I sign up for one of these palm post reading sessions? Is this a free service?

Please review my posts and give me a full run-down on where I stand mentally, emotionally and sexually.

Anybody who makes a living in eve out of ganking miners or freighters does not want 'resistance' they just want a turn at being a terrorist.

People that go out and shoot targets that can shoot back or go after pimp fit missioners I can respect, if not like, those are at least people with balls.

you compare Eve Online people with your RL surroundings and you see that your RL is cool
then you want some thrill and log in into Eve Online: themepark of gankers, liars and scammers

i dont know if it was already mentioned(14 pages to read through) but i'll assume it was and i'll repeat it again.

that's how eve was marketed, be the villain and all that.

Eve is full of scammers, bumpers, thieves, pirates and awoxers for exactly the same reasons it's full of miners, industrialists, traders and any other Eve activity you can think of, because the game allows it, and they're all viable and valid styles of play.

The real life morality argument doesn't apply in Eve because of the context of the game. It's a dystopian setting with few laws and is outside of civilised societal norms.

Context is everything when it comes to morality, for example shooting someone in the face in real life is generally considered to be a crime, and immoral, but if a soldier or police officer does it in the course, and thus context, of their duties, it is not.

If I'm playing Eve, a competitive game with few rules my real life morality is immaterial. I can certainly abide by it and remain with the societal norms of Eve, I can also throw it out of the window, and still remain within the societal norms of EvE.

My opponents & the content in the game happens to the 30-40k other people who are online while I am.

Different areas in life have different contexts, if I was working with someone else in RL to achieve something, I'm not going to stab them in the back and relieve them of their stuff, If I'm doing the same in a game the likelihood of me stabbing someone in the back (virtually) and stealing their stuff depends on the game I'm playing.

Will I murder you while playing minecraft? Nope not going to happen, unless on a PvP server where it is the norm, I won't trash your buildings either.
Will I murder you while playing GTA online, Eve Online or DayZ? Yep, especially if you make it easy or profitable to do so, because all 3 games are PvP games. In the case of Eve, everything including highsec is a PvP server, where PvP is the norm, in all of its forms.

Different scenarios, different contexts, and thus different moral codes. The separation of reality and fantasy that some people seem to have problems with.

The problem is not that it exists, its that so many of these 'Code' 'New Order' types are under the impression that they are PVP masters for shooting and scamming mostly new players... and thereby contribute to a toxic environment.

'PVP' should be about the thrill of outmanuevering, and out strategizing your opponent, not taking advantage of ignorance or silly game mechanics.

And, yes EVE allows it, but it does not make the game 'better.'

James and his deluded band of yuppies have never touched me... and will never, because I fly ships that could shoot back, and they are only interested in shooting stuff incapable of shooting back (IE more risk averse than your typical missioner)

I just enjoy laughing at their delusions.

Bad guys are fine, we aren't talking about bad guys here, we are talking about people who only kill new players, and are in fact trying to invalidate or make impossible a form of playing the game that does not break the EULA in any way.... and is actually somewhat important to the overall player driven parts of the economy.

Once again I disagree, while new players certainly get caught up in James's permit enforcement program I would say that a sizable majority of the victims definitely don't fall into the newbie category, unless of course you count someone flying a Mackinaw or a Battleship a newbie?

They're not trying to invalidate or make impossible a form of gameplay, they're trying to monetise it, and relieve the boredom of mining for others at the same time. If you want to mine when they're around you either move, fly a Procurer, or pay them the permit fee.

The bit I find confusing is why they bother. Yes James makes huge ISK and has a ludicrous amount invested in 'New Order" something over 200 Billion last time I looked. But I have also seen "new order" people bump someone for an hour to try and extort 10 million ISK. An hour for a measley 10 million ! That's like pocket money.