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Why is lowsec such a complete pain to do anything in?
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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-03-14 00:07:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
I decided to go to lowsec. nice quiet system or so I thought. I saw a drone combat site. I had recently been poor from a lot of ship losses but I had just mined a bunch. So I go buy a myrmidon to do this site and what happens.

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

All
Day
Long

I can't get enough time Just to do the damn site. I have a corp with T3's, vargurs and faction cruisers show up to camp the station for 2 hours.

Then I get caught by a guy with a vexor and vengeance later when they leave. Just another guy and his alts. They can't kill me. But when my help arrives they wont show up because now he has an armageddon, then I die finally. He couldn't kill me on his own, but didn't have friends. So what does he do? ALTS!

I can't do one single site in lowsec. One. Single. Site. At. All. On top of the fact that I keep losing not to multiple people, but one guy whos got a ton of alts.

Not only is lowsec irritating enough but now it's an "alts to win" game.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-03-14 00:25:54 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

Welcome to lowsec! Blink
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-03-14 00:28:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:

People keep scanning and trying to catch me.

Welcome to lowsec! Blink


So then how do you do anything? At all? People are so persistant my corp used me as bait and they killed 2 guys. I still haven't finished that site. It was a 5/10 too.


I thought you went to lowsec to take bigger risks for more isk. Instead it's just go out and die to alts. It's even worse when someone sets an alt in system cloaked. It's not like they sit there mind numbingly bored waiting for you to do something.

When I started eve I didn't expect to need multiple accounts to do crap.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Salvos Rhoska
#4 - 2014-03-14 00:29:50 UTC
Sounds like you ran into a guy who is very active, territorial and has his ships all lined up to take action on people encroaching on his complexes.

I hope to be just like this guy one day! Pirate

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#5 - 2014-03-14 00:31:14 UTC
FW lowsec has a very high chance of pvp, so if you were in a FW system, then it's worth jumping to a non-FW system that is not part of a transport pipe between FW systems.

They tend to be much quieter and have a high percentage of miners, mission runners and explorers looking to do their own thing and not pvp.

Otherwise, I would recommend going to npc null. You can find very, very quiet systems to run anomolies in null.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-03-14 00:32:05 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Sounds like you ran into a guy who is very active, territorial and has his ships all lined up to take action on people encroaching on his complexes.

I hope to be just like this guy one day! Pirate

It's not just this space. I grabbed an astero, and it died to a cyno alt in an interceptor..

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-03-14 00:33:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Aside from FW plexes which are different ... low is basically just people with ships fitted to run away versus people with multiple alts trying to catch them.

Triple alt gate camps, where the one guy has a scout (often cloaked but sometimes in a shuttle or noob ship) on the incoming side of the gate and two alts (one tackle and one combat) on the other side are extremely common.

Very little PvP between well matched ships occurs.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2014-03-14 00:34:00 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
When I started eve I didn't expect to need multiple accounts to do crap.

You don't need multiple accounts.

You can run anomolies in lowsec and npc null very effectively on a single account.

Sometimes running a scout on a second account can be helpful, but it's not needed. That's more a convenience for speed than anything else.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-03-14 00:35:38 UTC
I used to live in lo sec. Here are some tips.


  • Make friends.
  • Stay frosty.


Teamwork and vigilance are the keys to lo sec success.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Clyde ElectraGlide
Emara Entertainment Inc.
#10 - 2014-03-14 00:49:34 UTC
Map filters are your friend. Use the 'ships killed in the last hour' setting. If you see an orange dot on a system, excersize caution and good judgement before warping in. I tend to be a lot less risk-averse and jump in them anyways, but if you want to be sure then don't go to those systems.

Use the 'active pilots in the last 30 minutes' setting as well. Is there only three or so people in a system? It's probably okay. Ten or more? Avoid it.

Also, I use eve-kill sometimes if I'm venturing into a new area of low-sec just to see what's been killed there and who'se killing them. There's a lot of different things you can do that will reduce the chance of you dying should you feel inclined to do so.

Also, d-scan if anyone hasn't mentioned it already. Use it often if you're running sites in low.

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Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-03-14 00:50:31 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
When I started eve I didn't expect to need multiple accounts to do crap.

You don't. Friends work too.
I once lived in low sec and we usually ran the sites in a small PvP fleet with logi support. Certainly not the best isk/h but the fun/h was quite good.
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#12 - 2014-03-14 00:55:31 UTC
Welcome to EVE. Game of alts. Alts are probably main reason I am losing interest in EVE. Game probably has like 1.000 players playing but shows 29.000 alts. Lol
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-03-14 00:56:52 UTC
... and don't do what I did last week in a Firetail, sneak past a 'nado and cynabal camping on a gate and think "what the heck lets double back and have a go at them" :D
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-03-14 00:57:35 UTC
Demica Diaz wrote:
Welcome to EVE. Game of alts. Alts are probably main reason I am losing interest in EVE. Game probably has like 1.000 players playing but shows 29.000 alts. Lol


How about the game of friends? Friendship is magic and all.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#15 - 2014-03-14 01:12:17 UTC
Now I am kind of curious what you expected lowsec to be. You're surprised that there are active players there that want to hunt PvE people?
TravisWB
#16 - 2014-03-14 01:58:50 UTC
OP.

You are going to have to make some friends in EVE.

The game requires it.

Otherwise you are going to be very unhappy and will probably rage quit.

I have worked in low sec for years and yes you describe it correctly.

But, it is you that is doing it wrong.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#17 - 2014-03-14 02:08:05 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Not only is lowsec irritating enough but now it's an "alts to win" game.


No, no, it's not "alts" to win it's "multiple subscriptions to win."

Which is exactly how CCP wants it.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-03-14 02:10:31 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
Not only is lowsec irritating enough but now it's an "alts to win" game.


No, no, it's not "alts" to win it's "multiple subscriptions to win."

Which is exactly how CCP wants it.


Or you could talk to people and become friends. That helps too.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Marsan
#19 - 2014-03-14 02:16:10 UTC
You just need to find less active LS systems. There are systems that see 3 or 4 people in a day.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
#20 - 2014-03-14 02:20:12 UTC
What? From what I've been told on this forum all you have to do is announce your intentions in local once you get in system and no one will bother you...heck, they may even come to the site to help you hack it.

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