EVE General Discussion

Coming back to the OP, I think if that's your experience then perhaps you've been turning around in the wrong locations.

There are people in the game who chose to be the villain, but that's a choice made within the rules of the game. As a person in real life, they are playing totally within the rules, which is a morally correct and ethical choice.

That this choice has fictional consequences in a game is something we are all aware of when we play. We each have a responsibility to look after our own interests first; and then depending on our in game choices to help others or not.

There are many players who have made the choice to help others and they can be found quite easily if you look.

So in my experience, EvE is not full of bad people. It's full of good people playing a game within the rules.

When characters interact, I usually find the purpose of both is to have fun. While the consequences can be negative for one player, that doesn't mean the other player set out to hurt them. In most cases they are just enjoying their own game and not being concerned about the consequences for others, as all the consequences are fictional anyway.

As a final comment I hope you are Australian, because your statement is easy to interpret as racist.

Ooo interesting. This is a comparison I can get into. Let me elaborate upon this question to set it up to better reflect the sandbox of EVE.

Kid's are in class. It now becomes "RECESS". Recess is EVE.

On the playground, there are kids on swings. There are kids playing kick ball. there are kids making mountains in the sand. There are kids laughing and playing on the slide. Kids playing tag.

There are also some kids playing a game with each other called "Cops and Robbers" For a bit, the robbers are fighting over imaginary goods between themselves. One "Robber" takes a Policeman's eraser, and the cops are trying to arrest the robbers and reclaim that eraser, that eraser is very important and worth alot! They are having a blast!

That is perfectly acceptable. I applaud those children for having a great time. O to be a kid again.

But uh-oh! It's another day, and another recess. Everyone is out in the sandbox of recess having fun! Another game of "Cops and Robbers" emerges!

This time though, the robbers take the ball the kids are using to play kick ball. In the idea of making their own game within recess more enjoyable, they've allowed their desire to steal the ball OTHER kids, not part of their game within recess, were using to enjoy themselves in their own way. The robbers have stolen the ball and now the cops are trying to retrieve the ball and return it to the kick ballers.

This is wrong. The kids playing kick ball would have a valid complain to the Yard Supervisor because the selfish prick robbers allowed their own desire of injecting more meaning into their own game to negatively impact those who made the choice not to involve themselves in. Now those kids can't play kick ball because others have decided their own fun is more important than theirs.

Those "robbers" deserve a talking to, to be told that just because they want to enjoy themselves, they should not do so at others expense.

Then send the kids to jail permanently for the rest of their lives. For stealing the ball. Save society the trouble. (LoL)

Divine, guess how you are judged by your observed conduct here.

Do you accept that judgement? Is it true, because we perceive it to be true of you?

It must be, as that is the criteria you apply yourself onto others.

Something for you to introspect on.

I can tell your a bad person because of the way you talk to people on the forums not how you may act in the game itself. You're postings prove you have no empathy in the real world. It's not surprising that's you'd want to act out your fantasies in a game that allows it.

this thread again..

This is where I see your reasoning break down. You are working under the assumption that EVE isn't one game but lots of smaller games put together under one name. This just isn't the case.

I pay my $15 a month to get access to log into the EVE server. I cannot choose to pay less and only mine, or only mission, or only PVP, because they are smaller subsets of the larger game called EVE Online.

In addition, even if you think you aren't affecting anyone else, you are. Whenever you buy, sell, or trade, you are manipulating the market for someone else. Whenever you mine, you are mining ore someone else could have mined. When you PVP, the repercussions are obvious. We are all interconnected, and no career in EVE exists in isolation.

In fact, CCP sells the game on this point as you can see in this trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU

EVE is the game. Mining, missioning, and PVP are just small parts of it. Therefore by logging in to the server you are joining the game, and all that entails.

So what about In game piracy? Is that bad? Aer you a bad person for blowing people up?

:doublesnipe:

Presumes to judge, but will not accept judgement in return.

A sure sign of moral decrepitude, duplicity, insincerity and hypocrisy.

I've never stated you're not allowed to judge me however you wish. In fact I've stated quite the opposite. You think of me however you like, that's a right afforded to all of us.

The difference between us is I don't really care what you decide about me, because to me, you're not a person who's opinion I feel I have to value.

You on the other hand, well you present yourself as being one who needs to be perceived as correct. Probably due to an insecurity on your end where you can't handle being perceived in a manner you do not see yourself.

Say what you will about me, unless you're a person who's opinion I value, it's just noise.

I shouldn't be a person who's opinion you value, yet your intent on painting me in a light that allows for you to believe anything I say isn't correct because you feel compelled enough to care about the message I state.

Actually, according to the actual game mechanics and not some contrived and arbitrarily made-up separation into activities, they're they're all the same singular game: EVE.

You choose to play it or you don't. If you choose to play it, you've made the same choice as the gankers and scammers.

So, again, does playing the cop in a game of cops and robbers make the kid a good person?
Does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar?

These are simple questions and the only reason you refuse to answer them and instead try this desperate song-dance number where you cut EVE into separate pieces is that you know that your answer will completely demolish your entire stance.