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Why is eve being full of scamers gankers bumpers and liars?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#101 - 2014-03-13 23:46:37 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
And again you're insinuating that you are exempt from the reactions to your actions.

How nice it must be, to live in a fairy tale where you get to pick and choose the consequences of your actions.
…except, of course, that he's not doing either of those.

Does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar?
Salvos Rhoska
#102 - 2014-03-13 23:47:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Divine Entervention wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Divine, do you as aperson look like your avatar ingame?


I think it's rather inappropriate for you to be asking on a public forum about my appearance.

No avatar in any game ever could look as good as I do IRL.


I dont care if you find it inappropriate, nor did I ask if you find it so.
That is subject to your personal morality which has no bearing whatsoever on my own same such.

Nor did I ask if you are as ugly as your avatar.

I asked whether you, in person, look like your avatar.
It is an objective query devoid of value judgement, nor should you apply such to it, since none is either implicit or explicit in it. To do so would be to indicate a prejudice.

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EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#103 - 2014-03-13 23:49:42 UTC  |  Edited by: EvEa Deva
M mouthy
M mother f*****
O online
R ruining
P peoples
G games

thats what it stands for right ?
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#104 - 2014-03-13 23:51:17 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
People who do bad, are bad.


Once again you are failing to separate reality from fantasy.


And again you're insinuating that you are exempt from the reactions to your actions.

How nice it must be, to live in a fairy tale where you get to pick and choose the consequences of your actions.

#accountability



I used to be the head FC in a 650 man lo sec alliance so don't lecture me about accountability.

As for the rest of your post, I am not exempt from my actions in-game because in-game they have in-game consequences. Notice how I keep saying in-game, since EVE is just a game. Like cops and robbers.

In EVE, I am playing a character in another world. That character is not the same person who I am in my day to day life. You don't seem to be able to separate the game world from the real world, and some would call that a personality disorder.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#105 - 2014-03-13 23:51:58 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Divine, do you as aperson look like your avatar ingame?


I think it's rather inappropriate for you to be asking on a public forum about my appearance.

No avatar in any game ever could look as good as I do IRL.


I dont care if you find it inappropriate, nor did I ask if you find it so.
That is subject to your personal morality which has no bearing whatsoever on my own same such.

Nor did I ask if you are as ugly as your avatar.

I asked whether you, in person, look like your avatar.
It is an objective query devoid of value judgement, nor should you apply such to it, since none is either implicit or explicit in it.


Considering the severe disrespect you've just shown my person, I'm going to disregard your request.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#106 - 2014-03-13 23:53:10 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
is eve space australia?

Yes.

Tasmania, specifically.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Kais Klip
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2014-03-13 23:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kais Klip
I don't understand why being bad, provided it furthers one's agenda, is being so frowned upon when there is no more downside to acting bad than good.

I'm not even proposing Eve is a zero sum game on fun, it's not if it's a good fight, I'm just pointing out scamming and lying is no more "bad" in this game than opening up with your 425s. To the same extent, if it's a good scam, "gf".
Salvos Rhoska
#108 - 2014-03-13 23:53:29 UTC
Then you have objectively demonstrated bias and prejudice.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#109 - 2014-03-13 23:53:52 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Considering the severe disrespect you've just shown my person
Where did he do that?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#110 - 2014-03-13 23:54:38 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
People who do bad, are bad.


Once again you are failing to separate reality from fantasy.


And again you're insinuating that you are exempt from the reactions to your actions.

How nice it must be, to live in a fairy tale where you get to pick and choose the consequences of your actions.

#accountability



I used to be the head FC in a 650 man lo sec alliance so don't lecture me about accountability.

As for the rest of your post, I am not exempt from my actions in-game because in-game they have in-game consequences. Notice how I keep saying in-game, since EVE is just a game. Like cops and robbers.

In EVE, I am playing a character in another world. That character is not the same person who I am in my day to day life. You don't seem to be able to separate the game world from the real world, and some would call that a personality disorder.


You justify a disconnection between your actions and your self however you wish. That is a deficiency in your character, not mine.

You failing to understand that you're the person making your choices to have negative impacts on other real people indicates no fault in me, only in you.

You're probably going to focus on the real, but here's the "reality". Every other capsuleer in game is controlled by a real person.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#111 - 2014-03-13 23:55:15 UTC
Oh gawd, not this again. Roll

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#112 - 2014-03-13 23:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: The Slayer
Divine Entervention wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
People who do bad, are bad.


Once again you are failing to separate reality from fantasy.


And again you're insinuating that you are exempt from the reactions to your actions.

How nice it must be, to live in a fairy tale where you get to pick and choose the consequences of your actions.

#accountability



We all live in that fairy tale, its called EVE Online.

Edit : If I shoot a guy in a shooting game, am I a bad person? If I shoot someone in EVE Online, am I a bad person? At what point do my actions make me a bad person?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#113 - 2014-03-13 23:56:27 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Then you have objectively demonstrated bias and prejudice.


You've overtly demonstrated a lack of care for my feelings. You've made a request of me that I felt inappropriate, and then upon learning of my feeling on the matter you chose to reinforce your demand.

It's not biased or prejudiced, it's a reaction to someone who's shown me severe disrepect, disrespect amounting towards coming to a conclusion that you're not a person worthy of me placating.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#114 - 2014-03-13 23:56:50 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
You justify a disconnection between your actions and your self however you wish. That is a deficiency in your character
What do you base that claim on?

Quote:
You failing to understand that you're the person making your choices to have negative impacts on other real people indicates no fault in me, only in you.
…except, of course, that he doesn't fail to understand that. That's just you being prejudiced.

Does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar?
Salvos Rhoska
#115 - 2014-03-13 23:59:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Divine Entervention wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Then you have objectively demonstrated bias and prejudice.


You've overtly demonstrated a lack of care for my feelings. You've made a request of me that I felt inappropriate, and then upon learning of my feeling on the matter you chose to reinforce your demand.

It's not biased or prejudiced, it's a reaction to someone who's shown me severe disrepect, disrespect amounting towards coming to a conclusion that you're not a person worthy of me placating.


It is a biased and prejudiced response to an objective and neutral query.

Either you, in person, look like your avatar, or you don't.

I expressed no implicit or explicit value judgements upon the query.
All of that, was added by you in demonstration and enactment of your own bias and prejudice.
Not only that, but you then went further to superimpose your own imaginary speculation as to my motives for asking, when I had given no objective data on any of that.

You further try to dissemble the chronology of the discourse, by taking umbrage at my lack of caring for your irrelevant and evasive answer, when you had already earlier deliberately failed to provide a direct question to the original simple direct question.

I merely asked a neutral and objective question. Everything else, is your own doing, and as such, something you are accountable for, and which is representative of what you are. Ergo, biased and prejudicial.

I win.

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#116 - 2014-03-13 23:59:18 UTC  |  Edited by: masternerdguy
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
You justify a disconnection between your actions and your self however you wish. That is a deficiency in your character
What do you base that claim on?

Quote:
You failing to understand that you're the person making your choices to have negative impacts on other real people indicates no fault in me, only in you.
…except, of course, that he doesn't fail to understand that. That's just you being prejudiced.

Does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar?


He doesn't seem to want to answer that question Tippia, at your leisure may I suggest an alternative question?

Does playing a robber in the children's game cops and robbers make you a bad person?
Does playing a cop in the children's game cops and robbers make you a good person?

Things are only impossible until they are not.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#117 - 2014-03-14 00:00:56 UTC
Oh I see this is a slap fight between you two and not an actual discussion. Fair enough, I will stop trying to contribute :D

:snipe:
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#118 - 2014-03-14 00:03:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
masternerdguy wrote:
You don't seem to be able to separate the game world from the real world, and some would call that a personality disorder.

Yes, it seems he has a paranoid personality disorder and a superiority complex. It could also be a form of narcissism.

This has been plainly evident in multiple threads over the last couple of weeks.

In most people, I would judge it as part of their gameplay as the forum is part of the metagame of EvE-O.

However, in this case to apply the standard by which everyone else is judged, this must be who he is as a person.

This post is not in any way intended as a personal attack. It is simply a judgment based on evidence applied to the standard to which many of us have been subjected over the last couple of weeks, just for posting in a forum.
Kais Klip
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2014-03-14 00:05:55 UTC
This is why the word 'carebear' got invented. Instead of having an insightful conversation on the idea of morality when the enviroment of crime & punishment is so drastically changed from real life to Eve, you freak out and resort to forcefully demeaning another poster (an act which would be more "bad" than scamming by your logic, since you are attacking the poster and not his avatar).

So, forgive me, because I'd love to have that conversation:

lol stfu carebear ***
Spaja Saist
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2014-03-14 00:08:46 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I hope you'll eventually see what you're doing.

Right now, you're complaining on the forums about how bad people are bad people. It is a magnet. You've expressed an emotion, which to them, is a weakness. They're not normal, and you're trying to hold them to normal standards, and all it does is create an opening which the people who derive enjoyment from upsetting others utilize to try and further exacerbate the "weakness" you've exposed.

These people don't really care about what it is they're doing or saying. Which is their fault, but they don't care. All people are to them are potential sources for their own amusement. You're letting yourself be used by them through choosing to interact with them.

You stated your peace, and there are those of us who agree and understand. Normal people.

But normal people aren't motivated by the same things, we understand what it is you're doing and while we appreciate it, we know expressing agreement only makes us targets for their rage. They, being motivated by causing disruption to achieve some sense of impact in others lives since they're incapable of creating a positive impact, use this opportunity you've created to hopefully further destabilize you, just because.

Because they can. They have a severe disconnect with humanity and reality. They believe that if they can do something, they should. While the rest of us understand that just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Anything you say will be used against you, regardless of their statements being grounded in reality or not, because their goal isn't any sort of meaningful accomplishment. Only one of simplicity.

Maor teers plx


Truer words have never been spoken.