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Why is eve being full of scamers gankers bumpers and liars?

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#81 - 2014-03-13 23:09:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
The evidence being shown by the individual choosing to perform the action.
…which you've never witnessed. The only choice you've seen is that they play a game.

I take it you are a bad person then since you made the exact same choice?

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Just as I display what you would consider to be evidence of my being "prejudiced"
Nope. You see, I see you making prejudiced claims, which makes me label you as prejudiced. You see people play a game, which makes you draw the unrelated conclusion that they're bad people.

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I get to use the evidence of their actions as a basis to reach my conclusions on them as a person
You do, if you ever get to observe their actions, which you don't. All you ever observe is that they're playing a game — same as you. If you want to use such loose connections, we can conclude that you are actually a giraffe.


You have a disconnect between cause and effect. There is a choice to treat people nicely. People who choose to treat people poorly are bad people because they are choosing to perform the action that distinguishes them as bad people.

I'm really sorry for anyone who has to interact with you, because you display a tendency to feel a disconnection between your actions and the effects it will cause.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#82 - 2014-03-13 23:12:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
You have a disconnect between cause and effect.
Nope. I just don't share your baseless assumed connection between game strategy and real-life personality.

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There is a choice to treat people nicely.
…a choice you never get to observe since you never meet the person. The only choice you observe is their strategy in a competitive game environment. Connecting that choice to the character of the person requires so many layers of assumptions that the judgement you end up with is only based on those assumptions. It is prejudice. The only real-life choice you've observed is that he's playing EVE, same as you. If you interpret that choice as him being a bad person, take a guess what that makes you…

Since you hate it so much, let's go back to this old simile: does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar?
Dain Rokjaw
Doomheim
#83 - 2014-03-13 23:14:16 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


You have a disconnect between cause and effect. There is a choice to treat people nicely. People who choose to treat people poorly are bad people because they are choosing to perform the action that distinguishes them as bad people.

I'm really sorry for anyone who has to interact with you, because you display a tendency to feel a disconnection between your actions and the effects it will cause.


You do understand the difference between player and character, between in real life and in a game... right?

Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#84 - 2014-03-13 23:14:52 UTC
Dain Rokjaw wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


You have a disconnect between cause and effect. There is a choice to treat people nicely. People who choose to treat people poorly are bad people because they are choosing to perform the action that distinguishes them as bad people.

I'm really sorry for anyone who has to interact with you, because you display a tendency to feel a disconnection between your actions and the effects it will cause.


You do understand the difference between player and character, between in real life and in a game... right?



You do understand that the character is controlled by the player? That the game is being played within real life. . . . right?
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#85 - 2014-03-13 23:14:57 UTC
Dain Rokjaw wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


You have a disconnect between cause and effect. There is a choice to treat people nicely. People who choose to treat people poorly are bad people because they are choosing to perform the action that distinguishes them as bad people.

I'm really sorry for anyone who has to interact with you, because you display a tendency to feel a disconnection between your actions and the effects it will cause.


You do understand the difference between player and character, between in real life and in a game... right?



The issue with his reasoning is that he does not.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#86 - 2014-03-13 23:17:16 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
You do understand that the character is controlled by the player?
You do understand that the context of the actions of that character is that they happen inside of a game, right?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#87 - 2014-03-13 23:19:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
You do understand that the character is controlled by the player?
You do understand that the context of the actions of that character is that they happen inside of a game, right?


A game driven by the choices of the individuals within. Yes
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#88 - 2014-03-13 23:21:02 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
A game driven by the choices of the individuals within.
So you're saying that you're a bad person since you made the same choice, then.

Does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#89 - 2014-03-13 23:24:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
A game driven by the choices of the individuals within.
So you're saying that you're a bad person since you made the same choice, then.

Does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar?


No, because I do not lie to, or steal from people. The OP listed a clear situation where she was lied to with the intention of ruining her gameplay. I make the choice to not treat people like that. Am I bad person for something? Of course. We're all imperfect in one way or another. Mine just happens not to be my interaction with people. And since I make the choice to treat others fairly and with respect so long as they demonstrate their objective isn't to try and hurt me, that makes me a good person.

I do not play poker. Any reference you choose to make about poker I will remind you with the fact that it is a game I do not play.
Good Posting
Doomheim
#90 - 2014-03-13 23:24:35 UTC
Amusing thread 8/10
Dain Rokjaw
Doomheim
#91 - 2014-03-13 23:24:58 UTC
If this debate gets much further down the line, we'll have an arguement that says you can't bowl at a guy out at cricket (which is definitely a game) as it's deprived the player of his real-life right to score runs - that's not generally what they mean when referring to a "bad" bowler.... Roll
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#92 - 2014-03-13 23:31:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
No, because I do not lie to, or steal from people.
I have no evidence of this, so I must assume that you are a bad person. After all, you made the exact same choice as the people you're judging to be bad people.

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I do not play poker.
Irrelevant.
Does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar?
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2014-03-13 23:33:00 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
pls troll somewher else, im trying to have a discusion Ugh why do ppl always like ruining and being destructive even on forums... i just realize its not just ingame


Next up: Another player calls everyone who disagrees with her a troll!

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#94 - 2014-03-13 23:35:54 UTC
In Grand Theft Auto you can choose to obey the traffic laws. You can choose to not shoot anyone ever. You can choose to not steal or set things on fire.

Few people do this.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#95 - 2014-03-13 23:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
No, because I do not lie to, or steal from people.
I have no evidence of this, so I must assume that you are a bad person. After all, you made the exact same choice as the people you're judging to be bad people.

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I do not play poker.
Irrelevant.
Does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar?


Based on my actions, you get to make your assumptions of who and what I am.

Me too, in regards to you.

We're the product of our actions. The reflection of our choices. People who do bad, are bad.

I don't play poker.
Salvos Rhoska
#96 - 2014-03-13 23:38:24 UTC
Divine, do you as aperson look like your avatar ingame?

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#97 - 2014-03-13 23:39:47 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
People who do bad, are bad.


Once again you are failing to separate reality from fantasy.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#98 - 2014-03-13 23:41:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Divine Entervention wrote:
Based on my actions, you get to make your assumptions of who and what I am.
Your prejudice is not an assumption — it's amply displayed in this and every other thread on the topic. Personally, I choose not to make the kind of assumptions you're so fond of, and the only actions of yours I've observed is that you choose to play EVE (which according to you makes someone a bad person) and that you make prejudiced claims about other players. So that's as far as I can ever go.


Does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar? It's a very simple question and whether you, personally, play poker or not is completely irrelevant so you can drop that useless attempt at evading it.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#99 - 2014-03-13 23:43:07 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Divine, do you as aperson look like your avatar ingame?


I think it's rather inappropriate for you to be asking on a public forum about my appearance.

No avatar in any game ever could look as good as I do IRL.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#100 - 2014-03-13 23:45:16 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
People who do bad, are bad.


Once again you are failing to separate reality from fantasy.


And again you're insinuating that you are exempt from the reactions to your actions.

How nice it must be, to live in a fairy tale where you get to pick and choose the consequences of your actions.

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