EVE Fiction

I have a two lore related questions, which might in a way be related to each other.

The first question is in regards to the first clone of a capsuleer. When a person becomes a capsuleer is this their "original birth body", or is this the first clone?

It has been suggested to me by a friend in game that a new capsuleer is already the first clone and the original body has been terminated in the process to become a capsuleer.

My second question is a simple one about baseliners and to make sure I understand correctly what it is. A baseliner is a normal person who is not a capsuleer, correct? People living on the planets, manning the stations, serving as crewmembers aboard capsuleer and non-capsuleer ships?

Both. Previous dev responses on this has been that the simply surgically implanting the capsuleer cybernetics straight into the original body was the original method and that people who have been RPing this can continue to do so. Afterall, there have been capsuleers for much, much longer than there has been pod cloning. Pod cloning has only existed for about a decade, while capsuleers have been around since the Caldari-Gallente war over a century ago. For most of the time they have existed, capsuleers did not clone, and so the default method for those decades was straight up installation of implants into the original body.

Flatlining the original body and transferring into a new clone with all the capsuleer implants is a newer method that is only recently coming into style, in light of the addition of cloning into regular capsuleer experience.

They wanted to avoid forcing a retcon, so both methods exist. Flatlining is the newer, modern method.

It should be noted, that the dev response I linked to referred to the first inclusion of the 'original body is flatlined' thing during the new New Player Experience during Incarna. That addition was actually removed before or shortly after the launch of that expansion. This makes the Origin trailer the first mention of that method since its removal several years ago. Personally, I roll with the elective idea... the flatlining method might be the preferred default now, but if a player wants to go with the original method then more power to them.

I don't know if Source says anything about this, as I don't have it yet.



Correct.

Thank you both for clarifying the issue of the First Clone for me.

My copy of Eve Source should arrive in a couple of days, and I hope it will expose me to even more lore.

I think when you look at the big picture and consider that not every regular person in New Eden is a space pilot, and we are talking billions upon billions if not more. And not every space pilot is a capsuleer either.

It really makes capsuleers something special.

I wonder if a possible scenario could happen in which capsuleers could face persecution or prejudice by non-capsuleers. A minority witch-hunt of sorts.

Blame the rich near immortal clones for all of the troubles of the lesser people.

My copy of Source arrived today, I look forward to getting started reading it when I get off work tonight.

So, from what I'm hearing about Source definitely confirms that both methods exist.

You get the implants into your original body early in the training, and actually do simulations and live flying in the last two years. The flatlining-cloning is the final examination test, required for qualifying for the license.

So that confirms the existence of both methods, that you do get the implants in your original body. The flatlining is a certification test, and not a physical requirement for flying a pod.