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War on ISBoxers

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Druadan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2014-02-07 12:13:44 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
Ryder 'ook wrote:
Sometimes I ask myself: Am I the only one in this universe who plays on a single account?

Maybe I'm just too Newb still...


I do, 1 character, 1 account.

Besides the forums alts ofc.


Same. I can't believe I've come back to the game after all this time and this is what's going on. I suppose the maxim of 2013 is the mantra of 2008 still: CCP won't do anything if it results in lower subscriber income, regardless of how good it is for the game.
Brink Albosa
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#82 - 2014-02-07 20:02:30 UTC
Fly drunk, fly Rifters
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2014-02-12 03:19:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
I use ISBoxer for Stealth Bombers. The key to winning is simplicity. I tried using them to tackle orbit torpedo but it's extremely difficult given you need to use overview and have every bomber do the same thing on overview when the overview changes quite dynamically.

I disagree that damping ECM prevents reacqusition of targets. If you lock a target with ISBOXER while other clients have lock it will still work.

What you want to do is try to screw up the overview. Get in close, get out to range, web a target, drop a can.

Having said that I'm only really going to use my SB to bomb from now on. I have trained them into Drakes which are another ship which has minimal babysitting. Sit in one place and spam missiles. Anything more complex IMO is going to present problems.

One more thing if they're using broadcast to control their team the above won't work.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2014-02-13 11:03:20 UTC
So dropping cans will act like chaff/flares against an isbox setup? I have mental images of people carrying 2000 tritanium in single increments in their holds now...jettison...jettison...jettison...

Actually a module to that effect might not be so bad, takes 'decoy'; ammo and dumps out lots of drones that have similar sig radius (through light reflective surfaces, radar return amplification etc). Might allow for some interesting gate camp tactics...let arriving fleets muddy the field of battle a bit and get into some semblance of attck formation before being hammered...
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2014-02-13 12:46:33 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
So dropping cans will act like chaff/flares against an isbox setup? I have mental images of people carrying 2000 tritanium in single increments in their holds now...jettison...jettison...jettison...

Actually a module to that effect might not be so bad, takes 'decoy'; ammo and dumps out lots of drones that have similar sig radius (through light reflective surfaces, radar return amplification etc). Might allow for some interesting gate camp tactics...let arriving fleets muddy the field of battle a bit and get into some semblance of attck formation before being hammered...

Not really but if any of their overviews have cans or other objects that aren't on their other overviews it'll completely screw up targeting, orbiting etc.

And if they're basing overview in distance getting in real close will mess things ups.

I put mine on name sorted now so usually all overviews are identical.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Skelee VI
Appetite 4 Destruction
#86 - 2014-03-13 19:19:45 UTC
There is goon isboxer running around and he is a very capable pilot I think he has more going than isboxer. something is smelling fishy. He did 2 perfect bombing runs under 3 mins apart with our fleet warping around, with no probes on scan?
He has bombed some claoky ships at safes.
I really think he'd make an awesome pilot but I really have lost respect for him with his isboxer stuff. Odd he plays alone when in goons! How much of a loser you have to be when goons won't fly with you. If normal guys setup that bomb run I would have total respect in my death but using isboxer, meh
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-03-13 20:14:23 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
So dropping cans will act like chaff/flares against an isbox setup? I have mental images of people carrying 2000 tritanium in single increments in their holds now...jettison...jettison...jettison...

Actually a module to that effect might not be so bad, takes 'decoy'; ammo and dumps out lots of drones that have similar sig radius (through light reflective surfaces, radar return amplification etc). Might allow for some interesting gate camp tactics...let arriving fleets muddy the field of battle a bit and get into some semblance of attack formation before being hammered...


You could call the module the Server Crasher 2000.

As for overview messing up an ISboxer, if you're relying on sorting by distance you're going to get screwed. You should always be broadcasting targets and targeting off the broadcasts. Then the overview won't cause you problems. Nothing quite like having your alts raining hell on each other instead of the enemy.

I'm a proponent of cycling ecm across their whole fleet, using sensor damps, sure it won't stop them forever, but it'll make their life a little more chaotic. Doesn't really hurt the targeting, but it does screw up the gun cycling if they are using F1.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Shitty Shitty Pants
Doomheim
#88 - 2014-03-14 01:36:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Shitty Shitty Pants
As someone who runs 15-20 characters in combat fleets, I can attest that the best way to screw up a multibox fleet is to spend a bit of time recognizign their strategy first and foremost.

The multiboxer cannot run complex setups and as such has limited strategies that are easy to pick out.

I originally listed a few examples in this post, but I have now edited it out on account of not wanting to screw myself over by giving you scrubs any good tips Lol
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#89 - 2014-03-14 03:55:54 UTC
****** ****** Pants wrote:

I originally listed a few examples in this post, but I have now edited it out on account of not wanting to screw myself over by giving you scrubs any good tips Lol



I am sure you do not know anything most of us 'scrubs' don't already know.

Why post on an alt if you are so knowledgeable?







Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#90 - 2014-03-14 15:58:18 UTC
anomaly income scales extremely well with multiple accounts. I don't have enough accounts to make the actual program worth my while, but I don't really see the difference between managing two toons in one anomaly and 2-4 toons each in their own anomaly. Isboxer maybe lets you do the second version a bit easier, and helps you scale up if you're doing more than that. I think people are confusing the inherent ease of managing certain ships and activities and mislabeling it as isboxer-enabled automation.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2014-03-17 11:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Skelee VI wrote:
There is goon isboxer running around and he is a very capable pilot I think he has more going than isboxer. something is smelling fishy. He did 2 perfect bombing runs under 3 mins apart with our fleet warping around, with no probes on scan?
He has bombed some claoky ships at safes.
I really think he'd make an awesome pilot but I really have lost respect for him with his isboxer stuff. Odd he plays alone when in goons! How much of a loser you have to be when goons won't fly with you. If normal guys setup that bomb run I would have total respect in my death but using isboxer, meh

I have a little bomber squad. Would I rather have a gang that could play when I play on call 24 hours a day sure, but until I win one of those US lottories I think even employing a bunch of offshore guys from Mumbai is not in my EVE budget...

CCP have turned EvE into blobs online so unfortunately we have to "adapt" or not play. "Adapting" with ISBoxer is a better solution than trying to solo which is close to impossible now.

If you have fleet of people to zip around with then congrats but I don't most of the time since I'm Aussie and play at low pop times, and tbh, I love multiple bomber boxing, fun as hell, not easy either.

As for the safe spot bombing, I bombed a dweeb in a safespot the other day. I was on grid when he cloaked, 250km off a gate, so I used the overlay, + the gate as a reference point, my ship as another reference point and the range circles on the map to estimate whereabouts he was and popped him.

Its a 30km sphere of possibiity, that's a pretty big area.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

eliana Esmareal
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2014-04-20 14:31:49 UTC
well as many peeps already say use ewar of different kinds force the multiboxing player to micro that will **** him up.
i do use isboxer and has done for a long time and the one thing i hate the most is that rouge blackbird or whatever that fucks my day up.