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Is there a corp or person who does complex reactions for hire jobs?

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Dunpeal Hunter
Zervas Aeronautics
#1 - 2014-03-12 09:25:32 UTC
In order to get my industry system streamlined in a 0.5 system in empire space and completely up and running i need a steady supply of construction components. But as i recently found out it takes way too long to make construction components with the blueprints.

For example, to make every main component that is being used in the manufacture of ships of all 4 races (Crystalline Carbonide Armor Plate, Fernite Carbide Composite Armor Plate, Titanium Diborite Armor Plate and Tungsten Carbide Armor Plate) in a large enough quantity to start 24/7 production of T2 cruisers would require such a large quantity of construction components that i would be busy producing them for days, if not weeks to get the right amount of items.

And buying the construction components off the market is not really an option, since they take up a large size in isk with regards to the materials that are needed to make the actual end product. If i did that my profit margins would be so low that it would not really be worth the effort.

I almost gave up on the whole idea, until i found out that there is actually a POS deployable structure called the COMPLEX REACTOR ARRAY that lets you produce a large quantity of construction components for a cheap price in regards to the materials needed and in such a time that i would have enough construction components within a week for all my manufacturing jobs whatever those are for an entire month.

But soon after that i saw that the COMPLEX REACTOR ARRAY only works in 0.4 systems or below. And since i only work from an empire space station and POS in a 0.5 system and are not willing to move to null-sec space, low-sec space, or wormhole space i would like to know if anyone knows a service that:

  • Can be trusted and wont scam me somehow out of my materials and/or isk.
  • Does the job for an affordable price so i can still make a decent profit.
  • Is reliable when it comes to delivery and speed in handling any job i place with them.


Does anyone know a service like that? Your assistance and help in this matter would be very much appreciated.

I dont know if this is important or not, but i have chickens.....

Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-03-12 09:41:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
The reactor requires 0.3 or below (the restriction is < 0.4) and is such that you can't put loads of them onto a single tower, so to react everything that you'll need will require multiple towers which means a whole load of fuel and a fair bit of maintenance and hauling.

The complex reactor doesn't produce the construction components (Crystalline Carbonide Armor Plate, Fernite Carbide Composite Armor Plate, Titanium Diborite Armor Plate, Tungsten Carbide Armor Plate, etc), it produces the advanced moon mats (Crystalline Carbonide, Fullerides, Sylramic Fibres, etc).

Making the moon mat up into components requires a blueprint and either a station or a Component Array in a POS (and that has no anchoring restrictions)
Dunpeal Hunter
Zervas Aeronautics
#3 - 2014-03-12 09:57:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Dunpeal Hunter
I see... Well that certainly explains why my calculations where off by several digits for the amount of items that i would get for one run in comparison of the items needed.... I thought the price difference had something to do with the fact that those structures could not be placed in high-sec space.... derp PRoll

What about this than? I know its probably a longshot, but does anyone know of a service or corp that makes construction components and is willing to sell those in bulk at a lower price than currently is the going price in Jita?

I dont know if this is important or not, but i have chickens.....

Naya Sky
Serra Industries
#4 - 2014-03-12 10:00:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Naya Sky
I think you are mixing a bit the the advanced materials from reactions and T2 components. Complex reactor does not produce the construction components it only does the reactions.

Dunpeal Hunter wrote:

  • Does the job for an affordable price so i can still make a decent profit.

  • You will have a hard time finding anyone that would do reactions for you cheaply. I mean why would they work for anyone when they can simply react for themselves and keep all the profits.

    Dunpeal Hunter wrote:

    And buying the construction components off the market is not really an option, since they take up a large size in isk with regards to the materials that are needed to make the actual end product. If i did that my profit margins would be so low that it would not really be worth the effort.


    If that is the case than all the profit actually comes from the reactions. So why even bother producing the end product when you could sell the reacted materials directly on the market. Which leads me to my first point - a lot of people do reactions because they are profitable on their own and it makes no sense for them to work for someone else.

    All that being said, you can still produce your own T2 components to drive down the production costs (you just buy the advanced materials from reactions).

    My advice for you would be to find a different product to manufacture (or use a better invention setup - different decryptors). There are plenty of profits to be made with invention and T2 production even if you buy the T2 components straight off the market.
    Tau Cabalander
    Retirement Retreat
    Working Stiffs
    #5 - 2014-03-12 11:03:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
    Dunpeal Hunter wrote:
    What about this than? I know its probably a longshot, but does anyone know of a service or corp that makes construction components and is willing to sell those in bulk at a lower price than currently is the going price in Jita?

    I don't know of any, but it is why you will find that serious industrialist have a lot of manufacturing alts with level 3 physics/engineering skills: for building T2 components.

    Luckily it is quick to train such alts. [Invention & advanced component alts take longer to train with level 4 or level 5 skills.]
    Jason McCoy
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #6 - 2014-03-13 00:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason McCoy
    Hello this a serious reply:
    I have been complex reacting for years now.
    Its not easy, and requires lots of logistics and market watching to see what pays well and what does not.

    Not all complex reactions are simple two ingredients in and one out. Some requires three or four ingredients.
    The simple two ingredient complex reactions can get away with doing a simple reaction as well, either making your operational cost lower or your profit margins higher (whichever way you wish to look at it)

    You cannot install a complex reactor in anything less than a large tower, making your fuel cost anywhere from 250M to 400M a month depending on racial tower.
    Now if you want to simple and complex react on only one tower then you are stuck with Caldari based tower because of their CPU capacity, and that means no online E-War or anything else. It will leave you with zero cpu left. Also Caldari Fuel Blocks are the most expensive, roughing around 470M per 28 day cycle to run a large Caldari tower.

    That said, why would I want to sell my materials cheaper to a single player? corp? or even at alliance level? I incur a lot of operational and material costs.

    All that said
    I just purchased the Gallente component bpo set and I am currently researching them to make them require less materials and less time to build ie; ME and PE.
    But to produce any one item it requires so much input from various sources that it is NOT affordable for a one man operation, a corp perhaps, but even then who will incur the operational costs after all?

    See the dilemma? unless you have a vast region with constellations that have system with all flavors of moons its just not an easy task. You are better off putting up fair buy orders and wait for them to be fulfilled.

    Last I looked:
    It required three large Caldari towers to produce one component from scratch, and with a vanilla bpo it was a net loss of 600 isk per unit.
    Dunpeal Hunter
    Zervas Aeronautics
    #7 - 2014-03-13 09:50:18 UTC
    Thanks for your replies guys! Really appreciate it. Someone contacted me ingame who does make construction components and sells them at a lower price than both the sell and buy order of those in Jita, so it all works out in the end Smile

    If anyone else is interested in that, here is the guy his forum topic: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174135

    I dont know if this is important or not, but i have chickens.....

    Batelle
    Federal Navy Academy
    #8 - 2014-03-13 16:08:07 UTC
    you're totally confusing complex reaction moongoo (raw materials) with t2 construction components (intermediate materials).

    They are totally separate. Get your moongoo off the market. Build construction components with an alt.

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    Termy Rockling
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #9 - 2014-03-13 18:09:12 UTC
    Dunpeal Hunter wrote:
    Thanks for your replies guys! Really appreciate it. Someone contacted me ingame who does make construction components and sells them at a lower price than both the sell and buy order of those in Jita, so it all works out in the end Smile

    If anyone else is interested in that, here is the guy his forum topic: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174135


    Cheaper than buy orders... unlikely
    Dunpeal Hunter
    Zervas Aeronautics
    #10 - 2014-03-19 23:33:11 UTC
    Termy Rockling wrote:
    Dunpeal Hunter wrote:
    Thanks for your replies guys! Really appreciate it. Someone contacted me ingame who does make construction components and sells them at a lower price than both the sell and buy order of those in Jita, so it all works out in the end Smile

    If anyone else is interested in that, here is the guy his forum topic: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174135


    Cheaper than buy orders... unlikely


    I dont know if he would appreciate it if i post his enitre list of things he is selling, so ill just give you one item he sended through a mass mail in his mailing list:

    Crystalline Carbonide Armor Plate X units 8,141.25 isk

    Average buying price in Jita: 9,801 isk http://eve-marketdata.com/price_check.php?type_name_header=Crystalline+Carbonide+Armor+Plate

    So yeah, in some cases he is cheaper than either the selling or buying price in Jita Smile
    But i doubt that if you buy his whole supply and sell it to the highest bidder in Jita not long after that, that he will ever sell anything to you again. I think he does this mainly for ppl doing industry and not to ppl who are gonna stab him in the back by reselling it at a higher price on the market, but thats just a hunch on my part Blink

    I dont know if this is important or not, but i have chickens.....