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Character Name Change when "buying" a toon

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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#21 - 2014-03-13 03:01:49 UTC
Renegade Dussault wrote:
if you buy a toon from the character bazaar, you should have a free name change, or maybe throw a plex in for the name change..

im not saying give us a name change in game, like the skill remapping feature.. just when you buy a toon from someone else.

it would be a nice feature to add.. which would make you feel that it's a bit more of your toon, cause you might like a toon's SPs placement, but most of the names are tasteless, or just plain stupid.

i am aware of the problems it could cause for looking up the character before name change.. but other games did it without much problems, so i guess CCP could make it possible with the great team of people they have..

if you like the idea, thumbs up! (and comment if you feel like it)
if you don't like the idea, please criticize with a comment which is constructive.



While there is a certain glamor to changing the name of a character... and believe me, I would be embarrassed to fly under some of the names I have seen, you start getting into limitations based on the number of valid names one can tastefully have before l33t speak kicks in or the absurd.

1st and primary issue is traceability: all characters have a history, that is part of the game. While it is easy to create an alt, it is not so easy to create a skilled alt - all of that takes time. Imagine the original AWOX character renaming freely by trading his character from one account to another. Sure, it costs plex, but if you can get away from your past, you can abuse people with great flexibility and use the proceeds of that abuse to fund the next 'clean slate'

It does not matter how you implement a name change system so long as it allows traceability.

EVE could implement a system where the character ID is the anchor for the character and the character's name appends to it and could be changed without effecting the ID. The players character sheet would show their current name and a history of name changes. This could create a situation where you have multiple players with the same name, like Petrified, but the character ID is unique to each character.

That would be the only reasonable way I could see this implemented without losing the traceability of a character. In such a case it would not be necessary to limit it to character transfers.

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0mni Ca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-03-13 03:33:46 UTC
+1 for option to rename characters.

To keep things simple and well to prevent abuse, it should only be allowed once. And it would cost a PLEX to change the name. The previous name should appear as a Bracket next to the actual name when you do a show info. So it would appear as:

0mni Ca (AKA The Barracuda 10138)

As an example, this would allow for easy tracking, and if you do a search for the character in game, you would get a pointer to the new characters name for show info.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-03-13 05:00:59 UTC
How about PLEX to change someone elses name, against their will. Now that would be fun.

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Jean Pagette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-03-13 07:40:32 UTC
Make the cost steep. But lets not inherit all the dumb things a different player did to that "toon". I suggest a 4-5 plex cost with a two year cool down. It would not be hard to add in alias option, listing the previous name. Don't penalize a new player who does not want to wait 3 years or so to do what he or she decided to well. Would be an increase in revenue as well making it more plausible for the newer player base to get the eve experience without a needless wait.
Seliah
Red Cloud Vigil
#25 - 2014-03-13 07:45:07 UTC
If this would have been any other game I'd have said why not, but in EVE, you build a character and a reputation over the years, it'd be too easy if you could just hide some of your past behind a new name ! And yeah if you buy a character its past doesn't really belong to you but if you don't like it just don't buy the character.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#26 - 2014-03-13 09:27:58 UTC
Batelle wrote:
absolutely not. This is pretty much equivalent to being able to pay CCP to make your character untraceable, which would be pretty horrible. Being able to trace toons across multiple owners is of critical importance to many people.

If you don't like the fact that you can't choose a character name, pay more for a toon with a better name. When you buy a toon you get the whole package. If you want the toon to feel more "yours" then you can train one yourself.



I couldn't have said it better than this guy.

If a name means so much to you, DON'T buy a character with a name you don't like.

Name changes only bring unwanted complexity and would be detrimental to the game.

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Jureth22
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2014-03-13 09:44:22 UTC
i wanted to change the name of my alt because it means something not funny and every russian thinks i speak russian because of it.so i filed a petition to ccp and they answered me saying,if i would have petioned after it was transfered i could have changed my name,but i did it 3 months later so you gueesed,no.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#28 - 2014-03-13 11:29:40 UTC
Batelle wrote:
absolutely not. This is pretty much equivalent to being able to pay CCP to make your character untraceable, which would be pretty horrible. Being able to trace toons across multiple owners is of critical importance to many people.

If you don't like the fact that you can't choose a character name, pay more for a toon with a better name. When you buy a toon you get the whole package. If you want the toon to feel more "yours" then you can train one yourself.


Most games I wouldn't care but this isn't most games, this is EvE. Batelle sums up the reasons why I don't support this perfectly.

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Renegade Dussault
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-03-13 14:23:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Renegade Dussault
so most of you against this idea, are against it because it would take about 2 seconds to determine who the toon was? by looking in a tab with aliases, or checking the employment history.. this could be done easily i think, without much trouble for "historicity"

i feel like most of you afraid of this option and against it, didn't even took the time to look at the pretty good suggestions to implement this.

EDIT: and you could make it that someone could only change it's toon name only once per year or what ever timer.. so you wouldnt get a flooded alias tab/ employment history..
Seliah
Red Cloud Vigil
#30 - 2014-03-13 14:32:32 UTC
Renegade Dussault wrote:
i feel like most of you afraid of this option and against it, didn't even took the time to look at the pretty good suggestions to implement this.


There are many good options to implement this, but it still doesn't mean it should be implemented. It's like killing kittens, there are many ways to do it yet it's wrong every time. I, and many others form what I read, don't want this simply because it isn't appropriate for EVE.


Renegade Dussault
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-03-13 14:35:45 UTC
Seliah wrote:
Renegade Dussault wrote:
i feel like most of you afraid of this option and against it, didn't even took the time to look at the pretty good suggestions to implement this.


There are many good options to implement this, but it still doesn't mean it should be implemented. It's like killing kittens, there are many ways to do it yet it's wrong every time. I, and many others form what I read, don't want this simply because it isn't appropriate for EVE.





and who are you to decide what is appropriate for eve? lol .. your metaphor was ****** to say the less..
Seliah
Red Cloud Vigil
#32 - 2014-03-13 14:39:40 UTC
Renegade Dussault wrote:

and who are you to decide what is appropriate for eve? lol .. your metaphor was ****** to say the less..


I only stated my opinion, really, and my reasons are listed on the 2 previous pages so I didn't bother explaining them again. And I thought my metaphor was cool :).
Renegade Dussault
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-03-13 14:48:52 UTC
Seliah wrote:
If this would have been any other game I'd have said why not, but in EVE, you build a character and a reputation over the years, it'd be too easy if you could just hide some of your past behind a new name ! And yeah if you buy a character its past doesn't really belong to you but if you don't like it just don't buy the character.



you mean this? like i said did you take the time to read some of the suggestions here? historicity wouldn't be a problem at all.. we're not talking about EVERY single toon in EVE to name switch for free.. im talking about someone who would buy a toon could have the option to throw in just a little bit more money in it to make the name change happen.. it's almost like you guys have a single idea and can't think of anything else to fix the problems you talk of..

read the 1st post again.. this is not for everyone in the game.. just people who buys a toon from the bazaar.. there could be time limitation (6 months, 1 year, 2 years..) added to it so that it doesn't get abused, make the price kind of exaggerated, 2 or 3 plex.. and also have an alias tab to keep track of name change..
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-03-13 14:54:07 UTC
I'm in the 'If you want to name your character create it from scratch' camp...i don't even really like the idea of being able to buy characters from the bazaar but hey ho...
Renegade Dussault
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-03-13 14:55:28 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
I'm in the 'If you want to name your character create it from scratch' camp...i don't even really like the idea of being able to buy characters from the bazaar but hey ho...



you don't bring anything to the conversation...
Seliah
Red Cloud Vigil
#36 - 2014-03-13 14:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Seliah
Renegade Dussault wrote:

historicity wouldn't be a problem at all.. we're not talking about EVERY single toon in EVE to name switch for free.. im talking about someone who would buy a toon could have the option to throw in just a little bit more money in it to make the name change happen.. it's almost like you guys have a single idea and can't think of anything else to fix the problems you talk of..


Well, I agree with the fact that offering a name change in a restricted way to people buying a toon and keeping a history of name changes would make it so a character's evolution is always traceable, which is a very important point, but :

1. I think there should be a clear disadvantage in buying a character rather than creating from scratch. Not choosing your race / name is one. Some people don't care, some do (I do, a lot, I'd rather spend 5 years training a toon than get one I didn't create myself).

2. It would be a step towards a lot of "hey i want to change my name too" from all over the place, and I wouldn't like that. EVE is a game in which you invest a lot into your character. Your name is the one bit of identity that remains strong throughout your entire career and I think it should remain this way.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#37 - 2014-03-13 15:02:51 UTC
Renegade Dussault wrote:
and who are you to decide what is appropriate for eve?


A paying subscriber therefore someone with as much right as you.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#38 - 2014-03-13 15:06:24 UTC
Renegade Dussault wrote:
still you bring nothing relevant to the conversation cause i can't comprehend anything you wrote after that..
I know you cannot comprehend it, but thought you could at least try.

You have the misguided idea that because you suggest it limited to those that buy characters, that somehow others couldn't use it just to change their own characters name. You would be wrong and people would use it. So your limitation, is not a limitation at all.

As for changing names of bought chars, like I said the name is a part if the consequence of buying someone's character. You have the choice of not buying a bad name and waiting for a good one with the skills needed. You are buying someone else's time and effort and there may be a compromise or two to make.

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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#39 - 2014-03-13 15:12:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jint Hikaru
Renegade Dussault wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
I'm in the 'If you want to name your character create it from scratch' camp...i don't even really like the idea of being able to buy characters from the bazaar but hey ho...



you don't bring anything to the conversation...



here we go.... just crap on anyone who disagrees with you.

He actually did bring something to this thread, he stepped up as another player who is against name changes.


Renegade Dussault wrote:
so most of you against this idea, are against it because it would take about 2 seconds to determine who the toon was? by looking in a tab with aliases, or checking the employment history.. this could be done easily i think, without much trouble for "historicity"


Well, that's at least 2 seconds for every character to enter local who you don't immediately recognize the name of.
In a busy system, or in a dangerous situation, that will soon add up.

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scimichar
Deep Hole Explorers of New Eden
#40 - 2014-03-13 15:13:41 UTC
Renegade Dussault wrote:
so most of you against this idea, are against it because it would take about 2 seconds to determine who the toon was? by looking in a tab with aliases, or checking the employment history.. this could be done easily i think, without much trouble for "historicity"


I too want to 'show info' on every character in every system to see if they have an alias I recognize.