Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Thanks for Rifter changes

Even though my first rifter got on really many kills today, including solo - i still think it's garbage. Other ships can do same better for same price.

I think fit i was using is "decent". It died to heavy damage algos, but it's nothing to be ashamed of.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=22422504 - why hail and close range ? Doesn't matter in this fight - i should just never engage ;) , but there was friendly dragoon so w/e ;).

I couldn't cycle my rep for 2nd time - not that it would help ;).

Can do respectable 150 dps with barrage oh ~~15km range ! , 201 dps with oh hail (not bad at all especially with falloff bonus at range of ~~ 7300). Can tank ... not dessie tho for sure.

Still i'm not sold on this ship.

Fact remains that CCP really puts utility highs on ships that don't need it or can't use it.

On the other hand rifter at least got option for rocket launcher/lml. So it's not THAT bad as it is on punisher for example.

The lazor dmg is equal due to the same amount of turrets, low slots, rig slots and fitting. The tormentor however gets 2 light drones, bumping the potential damage up a notch above that of both the punisher and executioner. It still has a great tank if you fit it right.

the tormentor has equivalent capacitor amd gets the lazer cap use bonus , so you will be able to shoot your guns and even support a frikking local repper for about 30-40 seconds (wich is usually the length of a frig fight.) , thus having more cap life than the punisher with equivalent guns.





in fw land everyone fly either AB+scram or MWD kite. In ab+scram mode you have two choices , either go close and orbit , or stay at scram edge. With a neut punisher , if they go close you neut them , if they go far use the almighty so called OP scorch and win.

in MWD kite mode you would be surprised how fast a plated punisher can go with these latest changes, and as long as the kiter isnt linked , its quite easy to slingshot yourself into scram range.

Punisher has something that no other amarr frigate can afford to have. It can use frigging capacitor warfare to great effect. And the tank to support it. The exec doesnt count because its capacitor is so weak , a neut would empty it in a jiffy.

just because you havent figured out a playstyle with the punisher, doesnt mean that the devs should chnage it.

Wait... I don't know if we are active in the same fw zone. But I can asure you, you like you've heard of scram web kiting... Even tho it seems to me everyone scram web kites. Punisher is dead in the water in that situation. It's one and only use is fw farming, or occasionaly win a niche situation fight vs a noob.

lol noweb

I don't wana seem offensive but you seem quite clueless as to how frig fights go.

Without a web your silly sorch won't do much, and you'd be surprised as to how many things will hit out that far and outdamage you. Also without a web you have no holding power at all.

+ If it's nosfitted i'm quite content orbiting it close. Nos is not enough to fuel dual reps and single rep won't hold against much while the punisher does 0 effective damage up close.




Don't worry m8, most of the approval is unjustified.

also give it more fitting, 4 lows, a rep bonus, 50 dronebay and a drone damage bonus please.

1) Ship looks cool
2) Ship can push 8.3k EHP with a 400mm plate
3) Has three mids for an Amarr frigate
4) My fit has 4.9k EHP, reps 121 DPS, and puts out 171 - 203 DPS overheating on Scorch/ IMF respectively.

Scram range kiter might not be your thing but the Tormentor is a solid ship.

Rubicon 1.4: We will be replacing Rockets with Rapid Rocket Launchers....

I'm seeing a lot of people making the mistake of only assessing a frigates capabilities from the point of view of how well it will do in a 1 vs 1 frigate fight... which is arguably one of the least common situations they will find themselves in.

Even in RvB you'll only get in a 1vs1 frig fight if you are purposely looking for it (and there are usually a few people interested) but most of the combat will take place in a small gang situation... where frigates set up for 1vs1 often have their butts handed to them by groups set up for small gang work.

For instance that Punisher you wouldn't like to take into a 1vs1 due to lack of web actually perform very well in a group where your gang mates will supply the web while you leverage the other advantages of the ship (even if its only to tank the other team while your gang mates polish them off).

Just saying not to dismiss the ships that don't excel in a 1vs1, as that's no where near being the whole story.