Intergalactic Summit

Your opinions on the matter are irrelevant to the topic I addressed. We developed the system of Luminaire very early on. It is as Gallente as Gallente Prime.



Again, you've completely ignored my point. You called Gallenteans hypocrites for bombing Caldari Prime, I presented you evidence that shows the Gallente population were not in favor of these heinous attacks and therefore, not hypocrites. The atrocities you condemn an entire population for were committed by a small and virtually extinct political party.



If security is a concern of yours then you can contact me privately. I don't see how this information can be used against you, but I simply don't have the intent or the time to do harm to you, nor hire someone else to do it for me. Im not an active combatant in the proxy war and really have no desire to hurt you or the State Protectorate as a whole. All I want is an answer, nothing more, nothing less.

Think about it, wouldn't it prove me wrong? Don't you love seeing Gallenteans get defeated?

You may be a "Strike Commander" by name, but what about by practice? That's all I ask Ms. Kim. No dirty Gallentean tricks. No politics. Just an honest question.

Okay, let me put it straight.
Gallentean kakkus have no right to claim whole system at all as their own for poking other planets, while other civilizations can develop there. This system belongs to Caldari as well.
And if gallentean greedlords assume system is wholly theirs, we should show them otherwise - right, by taking it away from them completely.
Gallenteans have shown already, they can't coexist peacefully with other nations without trying to seize them. It's time to end gallentean reign in occupied systems once and forever.


And you didn't get my point:
it was, that I don't trust your evidence.

And yes, maybe not all population supports these atrocities, but despite all these trials, gallentes are doing them again and again. Let's just forget far past and look at nearest, that will be more than enough:
1. defacing Caldari relics and provoking racial unrest on Caldari Prime
2. ramming peaceful conference station with nyx
3. attacking our ship on an orbit of our planet to drop in on Caldari peoples.
I get you will never catch those in (1), besides, it was just general gallentean population, that you try to defend.
Responsible for (2) is dead already, since it was a gallentean suicide attack.
But those, who did (3) are still out there, still in their positions, and there are still no trials.


YOU are a gallentean, if I would tell this information to someone privately, it 100% won't be you.
Get used to the fact, that not all your questions will be answered.
And I have already shown you wrong.

It really doesn't. In the same way the Caldari's cultural history is heavily tied to Caldari Prime, Gallentean culture is tied to Luminaire possibly even more so than our own homeworld. The romance of traveling off our planet into Luminaire above is practically what united the Gallente people.



1. Relics were defaced by those displeased with the Provist occupation. While the vandalism and rioting is something I do not condone you cannot deny that the Provist forcibly relocated Gallenteans living on the planet, shot peaceful protesters, and imposed martial law.
2. That was one deranged man. A man who was stripped of all honors for an act that was murderous to the Caldari and treacherous for the Gallente. People seem to overlook this, but Gallenteans died on that day too. Admiral Noir has been completely disgraced.
3. The goal was not to drop the Shiigeru on Caldari people (we have people down there that we don't want a giant ship falling on either, you know). The goal was to remove a significant military threat in our territory. You and I both know that any nation would of done the same. If the intent was to butcher Caldari citizens, then it would be very obvious to both of us.



I'll take that as a "no, I don't command anything" then.

I'm an engineer by nature, Fred. What can't be fixed, I feel should be recycled into something useful. That which can't be recycled, should be disposed of properly. Fortunately, Delusions Inc. is still useful in her own right, but still pedantic and boring in her repetitive ranting (most of the reason I've removed her feed from my selection, again). From that standpoint, that particular machine is best left to work on its own, after sufficient sound insulation has been installed, until it breaks for good. If I want to hear nonsense, I can look up more interesting noises from a variety of sources, and find conversations of comparative substance quite easily, so rattling a cage lacks any appeal to me.

Not really. The vast majority of my thoughts fall under what those who know me consider to be "sense". If there's one thing I've learned, it's that the average capsuleer is more interested in drama, than sense. Though I suppose the drabble I put here in the IGS might qualify in some minor way.

No, I actually could see this working, with the following provisions...

Any CAPSULEER, which is all that this is really about, in the end, must have sufficient standings with both empires to enter 1.0 sovereign space belonging to both the State and Federation.

Both empires are obliged to defend the sovereignty of the entire system, not just their own planet, with sufficient military forces deployed to ensure security proactively (meaning that threats that are determined to be bound for Luminaire are to be engaged beforehand), with sufficient CONCORD monitoring to prevent any military adventurism with immediate effect (this goes for both sides).

Citizens of both powers (baseline) may move freely throughout the system, but are subject to the laws of the INDIVIDUAL empire in question, when on the planets or stations themselves. No protections or considerations are given to those who willfully violate these laws while on sovereign holdings, and trials are to be held by the governing body. The records of the crime, trial, and punishment are available to the other party at all times, however, for the sake of clarity and review.

At no time will known supporters of extremist organizations be allowed safe passage, support, or harborage, with any and all suspected incidents to be disclosed to the other party IMMEDIATELY, and dealt with accordingly by the respective and prudent use of available assets (Federal police on Gallente Prime, State forces on Caldari Prime, et cetera) with attached observation from the other party to ensure compliance. The organizations in question include all known pirate, terrorist, and cult groups, with enforcement and monitoring an unnegotiably mutual responsibility. Any effort to support such groups or their operations within Luminaire results in immediate nullification of the treaty, the body of which being submitted to CONCORD for review. No excuses, no tolerance. It's plain as day.

While I can certainly appreciate the sentiment behind this suggestion, I think the most reasonable response to the notion of sharing the entire system was mentioned earlier in the thread: if the State should ever be so interested in having a say in the operation and defense of Federation territories, they are free to try and rejoin the Federation.

Your "sense" are only rants and insults, traitor.

Well, Ms. Charantes, that's oversight of Caldari merits. Not a single loyal Caldari citizen would agree to stain hands with disgrace by working on Federation.
Sufficient standings must be to only one, either the State or the Federation, not both. But Federation enforces requirement only to Federal standings, that Caldari wouldn't gain, unless covering their names and ancestors in shame.


It is obvious gallenteans can't do this. They have attacked our planet, attacked our ship in orbit on our planet.
Gallenteans shouldn't be trusted with this.


Ms. Charantes, don't you think, that gallentean laws should stay only in territories, directly controlled by gallenteans themselves?
You see, we don't need any of gallentean filth on our worlds. Including gallentean laws.


For this to work, first thing to do must be for everyone to admit organizations like Templis Dragonaurs are just Caldari guerilla fighters and patriots, and not 'extremists' or 'terrorists'. While gallenteans and their bootlickers in the State will be using such labels against them, peaceful conversation about it is simply impossible.


As for no excuses and no tolerance, first, gallentean occupants must be removed from our homeworld completely, and second, those gallenteans, who staged attack on CN Shiigeru, should be put under Caldari military trial.

The more likely model for relative peace, it seems to me, is becoming accustomed to the status quo. It is entirely possible that the current situation on Caldari Prime becomes the new norm for quite an extended period of time and stops being considered a lack of peace.