Wormholes

As a WH PVPer, I think you're classifying us in a really inaccurate way.
We do not want ANY changes that make it easier to kill carebears (seriously, name one). We either want changes that make it easier to get fights, or we don't want any changes at all.

Personally I was very against making grav sites into anoms for example. I thinks it's fkn stupid and makes WH mining extremely unviable even though I have zero intention to ever mine in my EVE career.

On the other hand, I hate the fact that you now need to put in literally zero effort to detect new sigs since they jusp pop up automatically. If I have to put in time and effort to scan them out on my end, you should need to put in at least some effort to detect them on your end.

I actually appreciate that you posted. It's what Bane's been talking about in a few threads now, the lower class and carebear people in WH space are far too quiet.

That said, you need to understand that while you playstyle may be to farm/mine/PI/whatever and just want to be left alone, It's my playstyle to make doing so as difficult as I possibly can for you if you dont show me some respect and at least sometimes come try to kill me.
As such, I'm not going to support any changes that only make things easier for risk averse people that have zero benefit to WH space overall.

I agree. WH mining is clearly unviable for the reasons above. Grav sites should require scans, refining should be fixed (75%? Really?) and maybe other bonuses as well (perhaps have the +10% ores for a start?).

I don't intend to mine ever, but at the same time it doesn't make sense to me that it should be so much more efficient/safe in hisec than it is in a WH. I think it should be more safe, but less efficient. This goes for all carebearing. There should be increased rewards for increased risk. CCP seems to agree with this concept generally, but in practice there is much left to be desired.

Hi!

I'm Karen, and I'm one of the wormholer CSM9 candidates. :) I certainly agree; I did enough mining in high sec to pay for my first drake, and since then I have done almost zero mining. Just not my cup of tea; it isn't the game I want to play.

I am glad to see this thread, and the comments it is getting; for my part, I see a lot of people from the larger wormhole alliances here on the forums and not enough input from the PvE focused players and the people living at the surface of w-space. We're all part of the same community, though.

For my part, I do not think people should be *forced* to play the game in a different way. There *are* some risks that are unavoidable - if you are flying a ship in space, there is a chance someone can find you. Some things, though, are horrible ideas - like putting the assembly arrays on the outside of the POS shield. Something like that increases the cost of operating out of a POS so high that it'd drive people out of w-space.

I do think that the discovery scanner should stop automatically refreshing entirely; having a pilot with probes out is a solid counter to "mystery gank fleets", as well as being the counter to the AFK cloaking that nullsec cries about so much. >.>

I have to agree with Jack here and say - yes, the PVE side of w-space is as important as the pvp side, but there isn't one without the other.
The nature of eve will always be for one group to go and disrupt another, by any and all means avaliable to them.

Right now we're in a spot where some changes that have been made to the game makes it easier then it was before to avoid confrontation with other players (that want to kill you), hence preventing pvp from happening. This is something the PVP'ers want to adress, as the situation wasn't like that before.

We're not after carebears, specifically, we're after everyone. PVP in eve happens most often when someone makes a mistake or is not paying attention and there is someone there to exploit that mistake and punish them for it. The current state of the mechanics renders making some mistakes harder because the system takes care of (for examle) notifying you of new signatures automatically.

W-space is not supposed to be safe at all, it is supposed to be the most hostile environment in eve, and you as a PVE player signed up for it, you know abot the risks. I think the thing that community wants is simply equal terms for both PVE and PVP players. Equal risk vs reward. Right now it is not very balanced, hence all the discussion.

There are some great points here.

For one, my preference is no change to current wh game mechanics. I believe it is working very well for both PvP and pve.

The problem I have is that when change is discussed it is heavily bias in favour of PvP. I like both so I would like to see , of there has to be change, a ballanced change for both play styles.

As mentioned in someone's post, pve players tend to get overshadowed due to their groups being smaller then what is required to have an active and capable PvP force... So pve is not heard by ccp.

One thing to point out is that of your chain does not have targets, it only takes a system or two of scanning in kspace to find another chain... Not to mention rolling your static.

That is a pretty good response...for a forum troll

Ok first off, DTP only recorded and published the town hall, it was organized by the CSM.

Second there were no suggestions (to my memory) that proposed making killing bears easier. Most were quite the opposite actually as Jack mentioned.

Third wormhole life always came with dangers and you can't blame pvpers asking for space to be more dangerous or difficult to live in. If we wanted the easy life we would go to null.

I would ask you to come to the next town hall and voice your concerns because your opinion, just like any othe wormhole resident, is valuable and needs to be heard (just dont be outragous).

Also thanks for listening to the podcast <3

"The squeakiest wheel gets the grease."

Oh noes!!!

I'm a C3 hole'r. I mostly just do PI to make my money and run anoms when I actually find time to play.
Easy enough with 4 accounts full mining, science, PI skilled out.

I still wouldn't want making ISK in WH space to be easier than it is right now. If I wanted it that easy I would just go back to Nullsec where I came from.

Sure, I don't like that grav sites don't need to be scanned anymore, but that's my carebearness showing since I want it to be harder for people to find my defenseless ships. Although it is great when a single ganker thinks that all those miners doesn't have a cloaked PVP ship sitting in the belt as well. But in WH space, mining is just so I can build more ships when I need them.

The PI pays for the fuel and PVP that I enjoy doing most of the time. Nothing like taking a bomber into a known trap just to see how other people defend themselves, then dying in a fire.

I think a majority of the outspoken content, even in this forum, is revolved more around PVP, but that is for good reason. It is easy enough to make ISK in this game if you have the time for it. PVE content is simple and repetitive, where as PVP is ever changing with different strategies and tactics with every change CCP comes out with. That is why it is more outspoken that PVE content. I really don't care how they change PVE content, it is easy to adapt to.

Lastly, all the hatred between PVP and PVE doesn't really exist. If anything, in my nullsec adventures, the PVP players loved the mining, ship building, and JF logistics that I did for them. Someone had to build the ships we all love to blow up. And nothing beats the adrenaline rush of a good PVP battle.