EVE General Discussion

Aside from all the stuff being mentioned OP, many of the veterans that direction you to places like EveUni are actually people who were there before you and learned the ropes there before moving 'fully' into the game, well prepared witht he knowledge they gained there.

They are not so much telling you to sod off, as to show you the path they took so you can follow in their footsteps.

Because properly teaching people to be successful players is very hard. Most are not up to this task, to newbies are shunted to E-UNI or similar, which do "good enough" mass-teaching. That is, "good enough" by some peoples' definitions. The amount of bad lessons and habits I have had to un-teach to people who went through awful mass-teaching systems is ridiculous.

There are those of us who take the time to teach newbies in a more personal, smaller group (or even individual) setting, where the newbie is a participating, valuable member instead of just a face in the crowd. The people and corps dedicated to this simply cannot be of the size and prominence that "mass" corps like E-Uni or BNI can be. You have to look a bit harder. Start by talking to the people in the New Citizens Q&A forum. Not only do they have great advice, they know where the best places for newbies are.

Your dilemma is has a real world parallel:
- Newbie: "Where's a good place that I can get some delicious cake?"
- Bittervet: "Oh yeah, just go to Walmart, they have cake."
- Newbie: "WTF this cake is ****! I want good cake!"
Answer? Go find a smaller bakery that cares about quality over quantity. Same goes for corps and Eve tutoring.

Expand your horizons and search parameters a bit OP and I'm sure you'll find a corporation that suits you. Not every organization in Eve simply suggests BNI, Eve Uni or RvB for new players. There are many that have veterans who are willing to show new people the ropes. I see them spamming local in trade hub systems, these forums and in-game chat channels all the time.

Good luck in your search.

You seem to be looking for a one word answer which sums up the opinion of the entire community, although do you not realise that this is a silly and naive way of thinking? Just like in real life many people who play eve will give you different answers and have differing opinions.

Also you didn't answer the previous question I asked in my last post. What exactly are you looking for?

There is a place for a new player in every industry in the game. This doesn't apply to every activity though. The largest reason for SP requirements is operational security because alts are so prevalent in eve. If you aren't interested in joining a large noobie training corp (and its not for everyone, trust me) ask around about activities that interest you and see if there are corps that recruit new players for those activities. Things to look into include solo pvp, small gang pvp, fleet pvp, exploration, missions, high sec mining, null sec mining, gas mining, industry, incursions, scaming, suicide ganking, wardeccing, and awoxing/safaris.
There's other professions, but I think those are the main ones.

EDIT: Drop the attitude. Some people are friendlier towards new players than others. I personally spend a large amount of time in help channels, but you can't fault the players that don't.

To he original poster: Have a look at Eve UNI's want ad section. Note the wide range of well-known, established corporations, who represent the full gamut of playstyles in Eve, who recruit Eve UNI players. Those corps would not be recruiting from the UNI if they did not think that Eve UNI did not provide a valuable service, and do a very good job of getting new players a very good base understanding of the game.

Eve UNI may not teach large scale supercap warfare, how to suicide gank, nor scam, but they do just about everything else.

A while ago a new player less then a month old decided it was a good idea to wander around in 'our' Wormhole. After we made sure he got the message that it really wasn't, he asked if he could join to learn the ropes. We said no.
What we did do was giving him several well fitted frigs (with explanations on the fits) and some Isk.
He asked again, so we fleeted him to make the point by experience and went to hunt some Sleepers. Which of course cost him one of his brand new frigs in less then 15 seconds. He understood. And still plays, albeit not in our corporation.

That said, I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Prove your worth or potential for worth to me, and I will take you as a newb.

However, Divine, you have already proved yourself to be more trouble than you could possibly be worth, so I'd be surprised if even EVE Uni would take you.

EDIT: The biggest problem with most newbs especially is that many come from other MMOs. This isn't a bad thing, but it is problematic to the learning curve. In the words of Linkin Park, "once you got a theory of how the thing works everybody wants the last thing to be just like the first." Everybody expects EVE to be what they would expect from games they are used to, and that needs to be drummed out of them first. I find a player who has cleared their misconceptions of EVE, and that player is pretty much in, regardless of experience or SP.

Though I do appreciate you taking your time to explain your points of view, I'd appreciate it if you kept your statements along the lines of discussing the fact that veterans will state they want new players in game, then erect a minimum skill point wall to avoid having to interact with them.

I'm fairly certain leveraging personal insults towards me for simply stating a different point of view other than your own is against this forum's rules.

Two major features of appeal this game advertises about itself are "meaningful pvp" and "huge persistent world".
While corporations such as BNI and EVE-U might be a fun learning experience, it also possess characteristics of a non-meaningful learning environment where losses are meaningless tools of learning. There's no stated, long lasting meaningful impact other than the potential acquisition of knowledge for the individual. It's almost like a theme park inside of the sandbox. Join these corporations and enjoy the "Space Ship Explosion" rollercoaster.

There's no political ramifications. It's a closed room where the effects do not reverberate outward, only within. If it's possible for a new player to join those corporations and enjoy the game from day 1, then due to being within the same game, it should also be possible for new players to join politically active corporations and also experience the feeling of contribution, a more meaningful sense of contribution because of it's impact.

If a new player is to believe when he's told a "hero tackle" frigate can be useful, well it's kind of hard to believe it when the majority of the game shows they do not want new players being a "hero tackle" frigate in their corporation through advertising minimum skill point requirements.