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Dual sovereignty for Luminaire solar system Gallente/Caldari
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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#81 - 2014-03-11 23:33:22 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
Hah. Well, so much for all that supposed reasonableness and desire for peace. The true Provist thug, xenophobe and supporter of genocide finally emerges. Pilot Horn you're no better than your fellow insane Hethite Diana Kim. I do give Kim credit at least for never pretending to be anything other than what she was, unlike you.


You're right Ms. Rella!

Mr. Horn, how does it feel to be less respectable than Diana Kim? At least she is honest! You on the other hand are a liar, and the one thing people of all races and nationalities hate more than anything else are those who lie and deceive.


Diana Kim is a fine Commander Caldari militia. Im here in Gods own country Fred, im feeling fine, thanks for asking.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#82 - 2014-03-11 23:56:03 UTC
Stitcher wrote:

Indeed it is not, nor is it up to you to decide that I cannot tell you what I think, here in a place where you have specifically come to share your own opinion and see those of others.

I have shared mine. Whether you decide to agree or ignore me is entirely up to you: It is, as you say, not up to me to decide.

But the sentiment stands.


It might be said that changing my own opinions would need more than stating what is the blatantly obvious.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2014-03-12 00:05:57 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
Hah. Well, so much for all that supposed reasonableness and desire for peace. The true Provist thug, xenophobe and supporter of genocide finally emerges. Pilot Horn you're no better than your fellow insane Hethite Diana Kim. I do give Kim credit at least for never pretending to be anything other than what she was, unlike you.


You're right Ms. Rella!

Mr. Horn, how does it feel to be less respectable than Diana Kim? At least she is honest! You on the other hand are a liar, and the one thing people of all races and nationalities hate more than anything else are those who lie and deceive.


Diana Kim is a fine Commander Caldari militia. Im here in Gods own country Fred, im feeling fine, thanks for asking.


She is not a commander. Without a doubt she is a decent pilot, but I see no evidence that she has had any experience in commanding anything.

Also, you're not in God's country, unless I missed the part where you defected to the Empire.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#84 - 2014-03-12 00:16:38 UTC
Fredfredbug4[/quote wrote:


She is not a commander. Without a doubt she is a decent pilot, but I see no evidence that she has had any experience in commanding anything.

Also, you're not in God's country, unless I missed the part where you defected to the Empire.


No not defected Fred just in the Domain region. Doing a little work for the Sarum family. Going buy some real estate down here nice country good people.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2014-03-12 00:25:10 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Fredfredbug4


She is not a commander. Without a doubt she is a decent pilot, but I see no evidence that she has had any experience in commanding anything.

Also, you're not in God's country, unless I missed the part where you defected to the Empire. [/quote wrote:


No not defected Fred just in the Domain region. Doing a little work for the Sarum family. Going buy some real estate down here nice country good people.


The Empire is certainly a beautiful country and I've met many great people there. If politics and religion can be avoided they are very nice company.

Just don't think you can hide your true beliefs by making small talk about the Empire with us. I think it's well cemented in our minds the kind of person you really are.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#86 - 2014-03-12 01:01:57 UTC
My sole contribution to this thread;
It is always easier to demand everything one wishes, than to consider how best to make use of what one actually has.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#87 - 2014-03-12 04:36:35 UTC
Fredfredbug4[/quote wrote:


The Empire is certainly a beautiful country and I've met many great people there. If politics and religion can be avoided they are very nice company.

Just don't think you can hide your true beliefs by making small talk about the Empire with us. I think it's well cemented in our minds the kind of person you really are.


Im not really sure how to reply to this Fred. In my quarters down here where i am staying, there was book of scriptures beside the bed. I was reading through it a little bit so... ill answer you like this.

"You reap what you sow his will be done"
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2014-03-12 13:30:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
TomHorn wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:


The Empire is certainly a beautiful country and I've met many great people there. If politics and religion can be avoided they are very nice company.

Just don't think you can hide your true beliefs by making small talk about the Empire with us. I think it's well cemented in our minds the kind of person you really are.


Im not really sure how to reply to this Fred. In my quarters down here where i am staying, there was book of scriptures beside the bed. I was reading through it a little bit so... ill answer you like this.

"You reap what you sow his will be done"


"Truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror."

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#89 - 2014-03-12 13:56:20 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
when literally everyone except you is content, you should start asking yourself if you're in the wrong.


You are right Fred. To me the treaty which doesnt give the Caldari protection in the solar system but gives protection to the Gallente on the ground has a kind of hypocricy to it.

When your fellow countrymen all seem content you should ask yourself if your wrong. It seems that i am wrong.


Hypocrisy it the main weapon of gallentean propaganda.
For example, try to tell them: "Lets go and bomb Gallente Prime to capture Luminaire" - and they will call you terrorist, that you are a war criminal, who wants to kill "innocent", etc etc etc.
But the fact is, that gallentes already did the same.

Gallentes has bombed Caldari Prime to capture Luminaire for themselves.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#90 - 2014-03-12 14:07:05 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:

1. The Luminaire Solar System is legal Gallente Federation territory. It is high security space, and legally recognized by Concord and every legal body in New Eden.

And this MUST be changed.
Gallentean occupants committed war crimes to capture the system for themselves, and must pay for this.

Noden Vorpalstar wrote:

2. Being Gallente Federation territory, Luminaire is policed by The Federation Navy. The Federation Navy's responsibility in this regard is to defend the sovereign territory of The Federation, it's assets, and the people living there. To enforce the laws of The Federation within its territory, and to eliminate or detain those who have been deemed a security threat to The Federation.

I rather prefer slaughtering there these incompetent gallenteans, when they try to stop me. Wrecks of gallentean ships with bodies of their dead crews look very nice flying in the sight of gallente prime.

Noden Vorpalstar wrote:

Reasons for such enforcement include, but are not limited to: Hostilities or attempted hostilities against Federation interests, Federation citizens, or independent capsuleers and non-capsuleers in Federation Space and/or territories, smuggling of illegal substances or persons (wanted criminals / slaves), violations of interstellar laws or treaties, piracy, attempted piracy, terrorism, or membership in any organization which is involved in extremist activities.

It can be reasonably expected that the Minmater Republic, The Amarr Empire, and The Caldari State each have similar laws which they enforce within their own territory. And rightfully so.

But not gallenteans. I don't feel bad for slaughtering these subhumans. You see, better there will be no laws at all, than gallentean laws.


Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
4. The OP Pilot TomHorn is likely not interested in a peaceful solution to the conflict given his own private organization Dragonaurs being named after the Caldari Nationalist (and recognized Terrorist) organization 'the Templis Dragonaurs'. It is clear the type of people he idolizes are not of the diplomatic variety.

There were two hundred years of diplomatic talks with gallenteans to return our home back. Did they listen? NO.
The planet was returned only by force. This is the only language gallenteans understand.
Only a fool will try to talk with gallenteans peacefully... and if he will, he will be backstabbed by gallenteans, for example, by ramming station designed for peaceful negotiations.
No. Really. Stop it. No more negotiations with gallentes.
We will just come and take what is ours.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-03-12 14:26:54 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

The treaty does give Caldari pilots in Luminaire security. As long as you are in decent standing with the Federation you will be allowed to enter and exit at your leisure. In addition, the Gallente Navy and CONCORD will protect you from unwarrented acts of agression against you.

Why would CALDARI have a good standing to FEDERATION to visit their home planet?!
We don't live in Federation anymore. And we took the planet for ourselves, and not for traitorous spineless "Caldari", who would prefer to lick gallentean buttocks.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

You advocate meritocracy, yes? Then prove you are merited to enter Federal space by repairing your standings.

Caldari citizens prove their merits by blowing up federal scum!

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

You advocate the greater good, correct? Then stop trying to push foward an agreement that will inconvenience the majority so a select minority can do what thet want.

That's the problem of gallentean democracy, not ours.
It doesn't work here.
In the State, merited minority has advantage over useless majority... Especially if this useless majority is gallentean kakku.
If you continue pressing about this "majority" stuff, maybe we should actually turn this majority physically into minority by use of excessive firepower , so you will change your opinion, eh?

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Of course, being a Provist means that you probably dont hold those traditional Caldari values.

Only ignorant jaijii, who has no slightest understanding of Caldari culture and history, could say that.
Provists were and are the holders of traditional Caldari values.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#92 - 2014-03-12 14:34:26 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Hah. Well, so much for all that supposed reasonableness and desire for peace. The true Provist thug, xenophobe and supporter of genocide finally emerges. Pilot Horn you're no better than your fellow insane Hethite Diana Kim. I do give Kim credit at least for never pretending to be anything other than what she was, unlike you.

Oh, I see that tribal Anabella again emerged out of nowhere to attack with groundless words out of nowhere.
Is that all your sick imagination could come with today, or you choked with foam while writing?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2014-03-12 14:39:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
TomHorn wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
when literally everyone except you is content, you should start asking yourself if you're in the wrong.


You are right Fred. To me the treaty which doesnt give the Caldari protection in the solar system but gives protection to the Gallente on the ground has a kind of hypocricy to it.

When your fellow countrymen all seem content you should ask yourself if your wrong. It seems that i am wrong.


Hypocrisy it the main weapon of gallentean propaganda.
For example, try to tell them: "Lets go and bomb Gallente Prime to capture Luminaire" - and they will call you terrorist, that you are a war criminal, who wants to kill "innocent", etc etc etc.
But the fact is, that gallentes already did the same.

Gallentes has bombed Caldari Prime to capture Luminaire for themselves.


Two indisputable facts that you seem to have forgotten/ignored as per usual Ms. Kim.

1. The Gallente were exploring the Luminaire system before the Caldari even discovered electricity and before the Achuran's even industrialized. Luminaire is our system, Caldari prime is your planet.

2. Those who authorized and supported the orbital bombardment of Caldari prime were put on trial and found guilty for crimes against humanity.

We are not hypocrites, and we have done everything in our power to make sure that truth is undeniable.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#94 - 2014-03-12 14:42:22 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
Hah. Well, so much for all that supposed reasonableness and desire for peace. The true Provist thug, xenophobe and supporter of genocide finally emerges. Pilot Horn you're no better than your fellow insane Hethite Diana Kim. I do give Kim credit at least for never pretending to be anything other than what she was, unlike you.


You're right Ms. Rella!

Mr. Horn, how does it feel to be less respectable than Diana Kim? At least she is honest! You on the other hand are a liar, and the one thing people of all races and nationalities hate more than anything else are those who lie and deceive.


Diana Kim is a fine Commander Caldari militia. Im here in Gods own country Fred, im feeling fine, thanks for asking.

Thank you for support, Mr. TomHorn, but I really can defend myself against empty blabbermouths like them.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

She is not a commander.

Especially if they are ridiculously blind like this gallentean.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2014-03-12 14:46:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Diana Kim wrote:

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

She is not a commander.

Especially if they are ridiculously blind like this gallentean.


Please show me exactly who you command or refer to another capsuleer under your direct authority. I'm eager to know where your self proclaimed "authority" actually comes from.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#96 - 2014-03-12 16:49:58 UTC
Skye Nico wrote:
Desiderya wrote:
despite understanding the basics of different governing systems.

Well.

Desiderya wrote:
Public opinion remains the most unstable foundation one can imagine.


Apparently not.


No u.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-03-12 17:30:47 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Two indisputable facts that you seem to have forgotten/ignored as per usual Ms. Kim.

1. The Gallente were exploring the Luminaire system before the Caldari even discovered electricity and before the Achuran's even industrialized. Luminaire is our system, Caldari prime is your planet.

They were more like exploiting, not exploring. They tried to exploit us as well, didn't succeed. Unfortunately, they did succeed in exploiting other nations. But the day will come, when the Federation will fall apart, gallenteans will be either exterminated or quaranteed, and those federation members, who are opressed by Federation, will finally be able to live as Humans, and not livestock as gallentean electorate.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

2. Those who authorized and supported the orbital bombardment of Caldari prime were put on trial and found guilty for crimes against humanity.

Oh, about "indisputable"... hah, operating such words. But you know what, I will easily dispute this one: I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
Easy like that. No, really...
Maybe after I will see how those gallenteans, who attacked CN Shiigeru, well, I mean more like those, who staged it and gave orders, will be judged, and that includes your lovely president and senate, then I will... probably... believe that this happened.
But while you are telling me about some sort of gallentean trials of the past, current gallentean criminals walk around without being apprehended.
Maybe, if we assume, that these trials indeed happened, gallenteans became way worse than they were back then?
That would be a sign of their degradation.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

We are not hypocrites, and we have done everything in our power to make sure that truth is undeniable.

Gallentes brain are so soaked with propaganda, they don't distinguish truth from illusion... or, let's say, their desires. And their desires are pretty low, because they are hedonists and individualists.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#98 - 2014-03-12 17:40:22 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

She is not a commander.

Especially if they are ridiculously blind like this gallentean.


Please show me exactly who you command or refer to another capsuleer under your direct authority. I'm eager to know where your self proclaimed "authority" actually comes from.

1. Open your neocom panel, it should be easily accessible even from your capsule
2. Open "People & Places" menu
3. Search for name "Diana Kim"
4. Show info of pilot "Diana Kim"
5. Open Decorations tab, and then Rank tab.
6. [redacted]
7. Moitte

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2014-03-12 18:19:30 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

She is not a commander.

Especially if they are ridiculously blind like this gallentean.


Please show me exactly who you command or refer to another capsuleer under your direct authority. I'm eager to know where your self proclaimed "authority" actually comes from.

1. Open your neocom panel, it should be easily accessible even from your capsule
2. Open "People & Places" menu
3. Search for name "Diana Kim"
4. Show info of pilot "Diana Kim"
5. Open Decorations tab, and then Rank tab.
6. [redacted]
7. Moitte


I dont care about your rank in the miltia. They hand those out like stickers in daycare.

I asked you about who is under your authority. Give me a squadron name, wing number, fleet, I dont know just something! Tell me the name of a capsuleer who follows your orders, someone who salutes you when you walk by, someone who would die for you.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#100 - 2014-03-12 18:53:33 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

I dont care about your rank in the miltia. They hand those out like stickers in daycare.

I asked you about who is under your authority. Give me a squadron name, wing number, fleet, I dont know just something! Tell me the name of a capsuleer who follows your orders, someone who salutes you when you walk by, someone who would die for you.

Look, gallentean, I am not stupid.
I am NOT going to give you anything of that.
You said, that I wasn't commander, and I poked you right into your ignorance and provided with enough information, that anyone with a working eye would understand that you were saying straightforward lies. I don't need to provide any other arguments on this, especially containing sensitive data.
Oh, and now peoples can laugh about

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

We are not hypocrites, and we have done everything in our power to make sure that truth is undeniable.

coming from a liar like you.

And have a nice jam.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.