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[FUNDING] United Players of EVE
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Decoe DeTouront
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-03-12 10:46:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Decoe DeTouront
This is a idea i would like to present CCP an check if there may be followers in the eve community.

Money and time is a critical factor in game development. But as you can see in Star Citizen, the player community is willing to pay for content and development also. CCP is doing a lot, of course, and i appreciate the work they are doing. But in many ways its to slow, to focused on game balance and not on content. We also have just very little influence in using our own abilities to help creating this game and make it better.

So i suggest a crowed funded project tree for game developments, which mainly influence content and graphics (not balancing!).
Let CCP or players make some suggestions which should be the next step, vote and set a limit for funding. if its reached, the project will be implemented.

I've a whole bunch of ideas which i would like to have.

[deleted. not object to the idea]

Give the community the opportunity to help, to create content and let us help making eve better.
Otherwise, I fear, star citizen will soon have more content, better ideas, more players and makes more fun than eve.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2014-03-12 11:00:48 UTC
I already pay for content and development.
Cavalira
Habemus
#3 - 2014-03-12 11:01:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Cavalira
Decoe DeTouront wrote:

01) dynamic and non-linear missions (not just "warp to and kill all" stuff with always the same number and type of rats, same environment, etc.)

That's what PvP is for.

Decoe DeTouront wrote:
02) walk in stations (wis), walk on planets (***)

They've already done some walking in stations, but it was met with huge opposition from the player base. Walking on planets sounds like the worst.

Decoe DeTouront wrote:
03) planets with population, you'll have to take care for, bevor you can do pi or build a station on this planet (waste management, trade, infrastructure, defense, etc.)

If you want that, you could play Banished after you've taken care of your PI. You're a capsuleer. You're not a mayor of some scrub town.

Decoe DeTouront wrote:
04) starmaps wich you'll have to discover or buy from other players (incl. intel, not just hitting f10 for the starmap)
Why?

[quote=Decoe DeTouront]05) damage models for ships


10) modular ships (has nothing to do with balancing!) like t3 and better[/b]
When your hull gets low, you're on fire. The idea of shield and armor is to protect the ship itself, therefore there shouldn't be much damage applied to the hull itself before you enter structure.

11) a long term story, driven by ccp, on the need to respond to the player

I doubt more ships would keep players in EVE for longer. After all, you have barely flown all the already existing ships.

Why have a long term story driven by CCP, when the players have made history for the past 10 years in EVE? Just look at all the stuff that happens in nullsec.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-03-12 11:03:53 UTC
Decoe DeTouront wrote:
This is a idea i would like to present CCP an check if there may be followers in the eve community.

Money and time is a critical factor in game development. But as you can see in Star Citizen, the player community is willing to pay for content and development also. CCP is doing a lot, of course, and i appreciate the work they are doing. But in many ways its to slow, to focused on game balance and not on content. We also have just very little influence in using our own abilities to help creating this game and make it better.

So i suggest a crowed funded project tree for game developments, which mainly influence content and graphics (not balancing!).
Let CCP or players make some suggestions which should be the next step, vote and set a limit for funding. if its reached, the project will be implemented.

I've a whole bunch of ideas which i would like to have:

00) a nice graphical drone interface which works like the one for weapons
01) dynamic and non-linear missions (not just "warp to and kill all" stuff with always the same number and type of rats, same environment, etc.)
02) walk in stations (wis), walk on planets (***)
03) planets with population, you'll have to take care for, bevor you can do pi or build a station on this planet (waste management, trade, infrastructure, defense, etc.)
04) starmaps wich you'll have to discover or buy from other players (incl. intel, not just hitting f10 for the starmap)
05) damage models for ships
06) crowded hangars in station with more than just your own ship
07) whole new kind of mining - its just boring at the moment
08) new and dynamic asteroid belts
09) better models for weapons. they just look like glued
10) modular ships (has nothing to do with balancing!) like t3 and better ;)
11) a long term story, driven by ccp, on the need to respond to the player
12) new spaces and regions to discover
...) a lot more

Give the community the opportunity to help, to create content and let us help making eve be
Otherwise, I fear, star citizen will soon have more content, better ideas, more players and makes more fun than eve.


The noted difference? SC will not have a monthly fee so... EVE does. My accounts I pay for each months funds EVE development.

Think before you post.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Decoe DeTouront
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-03-12 11:05:32 UTC
Everyone can pay as much as he wants for ideas he would like to have. There is no must. Thats a way to support CCP and to speed up development. If it works and perhaps if there is something you absolutely want, you'll also spend some money for implementation. We'll see ;)

I would do it in any case.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-03-12 11:42:47 UTC
Let me help you with that...

Decoe DeTouront wrote:
But as you can see in Star Citizen, the player community is willing to throw money at a guy with a track record of never delivering what he promised - let alone staying around until the end of development - and letting someone else deal with the fallout.
Decoe DeTouront
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-03-12 11:48:36 UTC
maybe. they're starting from the scratch. eve doesn't and thats a big advantage. nevertheless its an opportunity to get money for ccp and to get more content faster for players. everybody wins. much better than trying to get money from micro-payment **** like ship colors.
Salvos Rhoska
#8 - 2014-03-12 12:07:21 UTC
Decoe DeTouront, how much funding are you prepared to pay to this?

What is the specific figure of dollars/pounds/Euro you are willing to pay immediately?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Decoe DeTouront
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-03-12 12:12:46 UTC
depends on the project. i would say up to 100€ - 200€. you think i'll get a ingame shirt for this? ;)
Salvos Rhoska
#10 - 2014-03-12 12:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Decoe DeTouront wrote:
depends on the project. i would say up to 100€ - 200€. you think i'll get a ingame shirt for this? ;)


Then by all means, start a Kickstarter or other fund with your own 100-200euro right now.

Or, alternatively, and even better simply:
subscribe 1-2 additional characters for a year.

Thereby you give CCP that same amount of money directly.

Go ahead, sub 2 accounts for a year :)

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Victor Andall
#11 - 2014-03-12 12:20:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
I already pay for content and development.


You all seem confused. The thread ended back there. ^

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Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#12 - 2014-03-12 12:31:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:
I already pay for content and development.


Ninja'd
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#13 - 2014-03-12 12:44:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
I already pay for content and development.



Cannot help but notice, you didn't say "for EvE online".


You are getting cynical Tippia :P

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Decoe DeTouront
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-03-12 13:02:30 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Then by all means, start a Kickstarter or other fund with your own 100-200euro right now.

Or, alternatively, and even better simply:
subscribe 1-2 additional characters for a year.

Thereby you give CCP that same amount of money directly.

Go ahead, sub 2 accounts for a year :)



thats not the same. just the current stuff twice.

the idea is simple:

1) introduce some idea's/nice to have/project (from ccp or players)
2) player vote for project
3) project is implemented after a mark in funding has been reached

nothing more.

a nice way to get some of the best ideas and wishes come true and implemented. that's not a replacement of the usual and current rebalancing and development. just a addon ;)
Salvos Rhoska
#15 - 2014-03-12 13:12:31 UTC
Decoe DeTouront wrote:
thats not the same. just the current stuff twice.

the idea is simple:

1) introduce some idea's/nice to have/project (from ccp or players)
2) player vote for project
3) project is implemented after a mark in funding has been reached

nothing more.

a nice way to get some of the best ideas and wishes come true and implemented. that's not a replacement of the usual and current rebalancing and development. just a addon ;)


What a terrible idea.

The result would be utterly potentially game-destroying proposals possibly getting funded by people who don't care about the good of the game, just their own advantage, and then being implemented to "get the cash".

If you want to financially support CCPs game development, simply sub more accounts.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#16 - 2014-03-12 13:12:37 UTC
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Decoe DeTouront
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-03-12 13:20:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Decoe DeTouront
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

What a terrible idea.

The result would be utterly potentially game-destroying proposals possibly getting funded by people who don't care about the good of the game, just their own advantage, and then being implemented to "get the cash".

If you want to financially support CCPs game development, simply sub more accounts.


thats nonesense. ccp still decides which project could be next, if the ressources (time, money) are available. currently they focus on the most important parts: mainly balancing, just few content. thats ok, cause there must be priorities.

this is an opportunity to speed things up. we provide ressources (means money and therefore time) to focus on other things, too. everyone who wants can support it. if you don't, nothing changes except that the game will be better in less time. so what?!
Salvos Rhoska
#18 - 2014-03-12 13:30:03 UTC
Let me give you an example:

Proposal: Every player gets an automatic 600mil paid per month.
1000 people each donate 100euros to this (making those funds frozen to donators for the duration of the proposal).

So now there is a 100,000euro proposal with a completely ridiculous premise, dangling there with everyones money stuck in it, for CCP to either take it or not.

Meanwhile people are bitching that WHY WONT CCP TAKE MY MONEHS here and elsewhere because they have 100euros riding on it that they can't get back till the proposal duration ends.

Its utterly ********.

And do you expect CCP to be somehow legally bound to then make the proposed changes, specifically and to the letter, as outlined in the proposal? Why would they create such an enormous potential for legal disaster for themselves?

Whats to stop them just taking the money and thanks for the fish?
Ironically, thats what would happen in EVE itself.

How about this.
You can start your own proposal for this system, right now.
Make a Kickstarter specific to this, and invest your own 200euros into it.
Then see if anyone is even interested.
If you can't raise a substantial amount even for the proposal for this system itself, then it stands to reason that it will fail in actual implementation anyways.
Do you understand what I am saying?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#19 - 2014-03-12 13:37:29 UTC
Cavalira wrote:
They've already done some walking in stations, but it was met with huge opposition from the player base.


That, to me, seems more because it was horribly done and incredibly disappointing. CCP promised a lot and delivered next to nothing.
Decoe DeTouront
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-03-12 13:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Decoe DeTouront
@Salvos Rhoska: rtfm.

1) ccp makes the proposal (players already have made suggestions > forum; these may be considerd for this also) for the next fundrising target
2) players vote for one of two (or three)
3) result is published
4) if the current fundrising target is hit, the next project is already announced

you'll always know what you're spending your money for, ccp always has the control of all the stuff. easy solution, isn't it?
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