EVE General Discussion

Because veteran players have corporations that engage in certain activities. Noob training is not one of them.

And as you mentioned, there are Corporations that serve exactly that purpose.

That's why when you try to get a job they don't always handle your training.

It's a system, nothing more. You don't have to take it personal.

Furthermore, noob corporations such as EVE UNI are specialized in new player training both ideologically and logistically in a way that other corps are not.

On one hand, you'll say new players can be a huge asset. People will list multiple ways a new player can have an impact. Yet alot of the corporations have minimum skill point requirements in the multi millions. The answer is to join one of the established new player helping corporations.

You say we're valuable, but then you show us we're not by not accepting us.

If you'll tell me that a new player should continue to play because he can influence and participate at any level, then why will they not be accpeting those new players?

So your words say "stick around", but your actions say "Your potential contribution isn't worth my time".

Most player corporations would be doing you a disservice by accepting you early on.

New players are valuable to the game and the community, this is true.

But they are not valuable to all player corporations.

Let me give you some examples:

Mining Corps running Mining Operations in Exhumer fleets with Orca Support.

Faction Warfare PvP Corporations.

Hauling Corporations that use Freighters.

Salvaging corporations that use fleets of Noctis hulls.

Nullsec Sov corps do whatever the hell they do.

You need to think about what YOU are bringing to the table as well, because these activities take up most of a corporation's time. They have little to no time showing you the ropes ESPECIALLY when there are corporations that dedicate full time to the same goal.

So not only would you be inefficient in their corporation, they would be equally inefficient in training you.

I think you're taking offense where there is no offense to be taken.

That is BNI and EVE-UNIs business model.
Thats how they create and fund their own content.

Whats not to understand about that?

You are assuming some ephemeral responsibility or duty of care on the part of the community to educate new players, where none exists.

Most people recommend new players to EVE-U and BNI because they know what they are doing, know how to get a new player started in game better than most other corps out there. A well established corp really doesn't want to take the time to train new players when they're working hard to maintain what they have got already. Why train your new players when someone can do it better than you can yourself?

It's like real life you know... you go to university before you get hired out by some big corp.

Firstly, no one "had them set up" and no one "makes them" do anything. They were set up, and are run, by people who enjoyed what they did and wanted to play the sandbox that way.

Secondly, there's 100s of academy corps in other alliances that do training as well.

Thirdly, there's plenty of other corps where there's no official training but newbs learning through fleets and ops, asking questions, chatting etc. happens all the time. Sometimes people in the corp cannot dedicate themselves to training or don't think they are doing justice to training, at which point EUNI or something like it may be suggested to the person as an option.

You have been lied to, and believed something that is fundamentally not true.
It is their fault for talking nonsense, but also your own fault for believing it.

You are not automatically useful ingame, or out of it, to ANYONE, unless you make yourself useful or have some skill or capacity that you perform which is useful.

A rock at rest on a beach is not useful to anyone.
That same rock in your hand when you bash someones skull with it, however, now is useful.

You also dont need EVEUNI or other dedicated schools to become useful.
The internet is filled with more information regarding how to become useful in EVE than anyone individual can even ever hope to read and learn from.

Im a self-taught guy. I am in the process of making myself useful by a lot of reading and learning from those sources by investing my own time and effort into it. While I am doing that, my investment in my account is slowly generating SP so as to make my character more useful.

There are various other corps that accept new players, whether they offer training/SRP or not depends, but the most established and well known are those you listed, BNI, EVE-uni, RvB for pvp etc. so everyone has heard of them and they accept newbies fairly quickly.

Now saying that no one else does this can't be more wrong, there are tons of mining corps, pirate corps, industry even wormhole corps... that "hold the hand" of newbies, they are just not as well know those mentioned.

And what's wrong with having established corps for this? you have the general ones, and if a newbie doesn't find them to their satisfaction he can take a quick look in recruitment forums and will find plenty of active corps to suit his/her playstyle.

Sounds like you are confirming your own bias - that everyone is selfish and won't help you so you should just give up on this game. It sounds like the classic "let me trash this idea so I'll believe it and then I can be happy knowing it wasn't want I really wanted anyway". Success?

However, you are wrong about everyone doesn't have a use. Every player does have a use in some way shape or form. You, believe it or not, have a use. You are someone who does something in the sandbox, which affects everyone else. Every time you mine or buy something market, you are a use to someone else.

But if you want to have an impact, then you need to get out of your pity parade and jump into the fray. Anyone with a frigate fit with a microwarp drive, warp disrupter, and a webber can tackle someone in pvp. Guess what we never seem to have enough of in PVP? Fast tackle. Anyone can grab the pile of 3rd party tools out there and start making their isk work for them. You can start to trade billions and buy the things you always though were reserved for "veterans."

The key variable here though is YOU. No one is going to walk you to the EVE Garden of Happiness, you need to figure out where that is and where you fit.

I smell some trolling up in here.

Regardless, the OP is missing the fact that the focus of many corps is to perform advanced game functions. The OP's query is about the same as asking why any advanced team, be it in business, sports, military, etc. might want to foster development responsibilities off on groups who cater to less experienced people.

If you join a real life business, they generally anticipate that you have gone through some training prior to that point (college, trade school, etc.).

OP needs to relax a bit and recognize that EVE is not an instant gratification game. That is part of what makes it so beautiful.