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Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-03-12 05:28:37 UTC
I honestly don't know what the OP is on about. I can honestly say we are having no shortage in targets to shoot at in thelast 3 months

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BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#22 - 2014-03-12 05:39:36 UTC
In low end land , there isn't a lack of PvP from normal, but there is a big drop in the incidental PvP around. The Miners, the PI runners, the random HS dudes. I expected the random HS'ers to taper down as Odyssey newness cooled off and people realised that out here be Dragons. The miners have gone due to the Discovery Scanner, expected but still kinda lame. I'm really curious where all the PI runners have gone. Have player owned HS CO's meant people are moving their PI outside?

Also this time of year I find that due to Euro and AU Daylight Savings times, I end up a few hours more outside the EUTZ which doesn't start to heat up till 1am ish for me, where normally I can expect something a bit after DT 10-11pm ish). Are you just getting TZ f**ked?

Also we need better names for C1-4 and C5/6 over low/high. May I suggest Awesomeland and Terribadland? Maybe ProPvPville and Blobbers Paradise?
Havoc Zealot
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-03-12 06:07:06 UTC
OP

Sky Fighters bring much content to these forums
Tyrant Scorn
#24 - 2014-03-12 07:00:56 UTC
I think everything that is wrong with wormholes has been highlighted in the WH townhall meeting that Chitsa held last week.

Townhall Recording: https://soundcloud.com/nylon-elephant/wormhole-town-hall-09-03-2014

At some point Malcanis, current CSM 8 member, is trying to debate with the wormholers but everything wrong with this community is being displayed in that argument. Wormhole people can't debate or disagree with parties outside their circles, and that included other wormholers.

Current CSM 8 members, Mike, Ali and Malcanis have given you all the advise, tips and the means to get your points across to CCP and get WH changes on the map... However, it will require you to communicate on the forums. Sadly, wormholers can't have a constructive conversation, as soon as a not-so-popular idea is mentioned, people are grabbing pitchforks and torches. Most topics end in trolling after 2 or 3 pages and the ones that don't never get anywhere because people only come here to troll anyways.

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GizzyBoy
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#25 - 2014-03-12 07:02:10 UTC
Havoc Zealot wrote:
OP

Sky Fighters bring much content to these forums



Never met some one in au tz that didn't have an opinion
Helena Heffalump
#26 - 2014-03-12 07:32:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Helena Heffalump
lol, considering during the past month every time our corp does things inside our wormhole we have been attacked, taking significant losses, i would say wormholes are extremely crowded and not dead at all but we have been considering leaving so i guess you are right about the whole shooting themselves in the foot part
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-03-12 09:02:05 UTC
Technically, CCP have sole responsibility for "content". Maybe what you are trying to blame players for is a lack of activity.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-03-12 09:19:44 UTC
Helena Heffalump wrote:
lol, considering during the past month every time our corp does things inside our wormhole we have been attacked, taking significant losses, i would say wormholes are extremely crowded and not dead at all but we have been considering leaving so i guess you are right about the whole shooting themselves in the foot part
Republic University's wormhole presence will be sorely missed. We apologize for shooting NPC alts, because they bring so much content to the wormhole community.

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Winthorp
#29 - 2014-03-12 09:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
I think everything that is wrong with wormholes has been highlighted in the WH townhall meeting that Chitsa held last week.

Townhall Recording: https://soundcloud.com/nylon-elephant/wormhole-town-hall-09-03-2014

At some point Malcanis, current CSM 8 member, is trying to debate with the wormholers but everything wrong with this community is being displayed in that argument. Wormhole people can't debate or disagree with parties outside their circles, and that included other wormholers.

Current CSM 8 members, Mike, Ali and Malcanis have given you all the advise, tips and the means to get your points across to CCP and get WH changes on the map... However, it will require you to communicate on the forums. Sadly, wormholers can't have a constructive conversation, as soon as a not-so-popular idea is mentioned, people are grabbing pitchforks and torches. Most topics end in trolling after 2 or 3 pages and the ones that don't never get anywhere because people only come here to troll anyways.



I have to stop this absurdity right there. "The WH townhall" was a select few individuals and most of those that run the major corps, these were at best a very small cross section of the WH community and i would be highly doubtful any of those present were from a class of WH's outside of a C5/6.

The whole meeting was so disorganized with only mere topics of conversation with no structure of debate, no outcome of consolidated ideas, no plan to get those achieved other then the subtle i am a CSM these are my views vote for me.

Malcanis while he had one good point that we needed to show support to our goals in one thread our CSM's can show off to CCP he then proceeded to take over a whole meeting to put his nullsec perspective ahead at every point in the debate. that guy should have been muted long ago and they showed a lot of restraint.

You say every thread here ends in trolling, that is simply not true. The ones that end in trolling are the completely stupid ideas that no one should support. A lot of ideas that come up on these forums are ideas that are skewed towards how a player or group of players play the game or how they want to, does that make these ideas good at all and mean they shouldn't be argued against. So many of the recent ideas here in the name of "conflict drivers" have the potential to make Wh space in certain areas become a wasteland and many other reasonable people can't just say nothing while ridiculous ideas are posted. While trolling does take place don't mistake reasonable argument as part of the pool of trolling.

I realize i and others have not given you much respect at all and while you continue to post on an alt don't expect that to change at all but you need to let go of this bizarre campaign you have going against quite a few people in the Wh community with your views on "trolling". Harden up or GTFO.
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-03-12 09:59:20 UTC
Tyrant Scorn wrote:

At some point Malcanis, current CSM 8 member, is trying to debate with the wormholers but everything wrong with this community is being displayed in that argument. Wormhole people can't debate or disagree with parties outside their circles, and that included other wormholers.



I've attually tried talking to a couple csm members (who arent chista and james) and some of the idea's they have are so terrible you walk through why they are terrible and they just don't seem to get it at all.

One example was a csm members idea for blackholes to make the mass and time on them totally random no warnings on them going eol/crit. How many wh people would attually want to live in a blackhole when you have no idea at all of when that static is going to collapse I'm pretty sure they would be used even less than they are now.

I would also say that people outside the wh area are just as biased. I really want stations in null to be destroyable. I asked one csm about it and the replies i got were "seriouly????? are you ******* serious???? your joking right????"
after explaining i wasnt and that in wh space when you get evicted or invaded you lose all your stuff in the wh (ok minus maybe a carrier and some ships in it) nearly every reason he had i simply countered with its happening already in wh space we're fine with it.

As for content in wh space I dont see a problem at all seems to be alot more people about we've had loads of great fights recently. I personally just put it down to looking for stuff to do

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Winthorp
#31 - 2014-03-12 10:04:50 UTC
GizzyBoy wrote:
Havoc Zealot wrote:
OP

Sky Fighters bring much content to these forums



Never met some one in au tz that didn't have an opinion


We have a lot of AU, and all us AU guys have a lot of **** to say.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-03-12 10:45:15 UTC
It's somewhat funny how big fights in null end up with news on how it's bringing the game new players, yet big fights in wormhole space are somewhow bad and unable to do the same... It might not be so visible, but it happens all the same. Those who are giving up on wormhole space after being evicted, are the people who aren't cut to live there so there's quite literally no loss.

And before someone calls me out as yet another forum alt, it's not. Was here when I was still in SSC, now in this NPC corp, and will be here no matter where I head to next. It's wspace or uninstall for me and I ain't going to do the latter anytime soon.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-03-12 11:10:55 UTC
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
I think everything that is wrong with wormholes has been highlighted in the WH townhall meeting that Chitsa held last week.

Townhall Recording: https://soundcloud.com/nylon-elephant/wormhole-town-hall-09-03-2014

At some point Malcanis, current CSM 8 member, is trying to debate with the wormholers but everything wrong with this community is being displayed in that argument. Wormhole people can't debate or disagree with parties outside their circles, and that included other wormholers.

Current CSM 8 members, Mike, Ali and Malcanis have given you all the advise, tips and the means to get your points across to CCP and get WH changes on the map... However, it will require you to communicate on the forums. Sadly, wormholers can't have a constructive conversation, as soon as a not-so-popular idea is mentioned, people are grabbing pitchforks and torches. Most topics end in trolling after 2 or 3 pages and the ones that don't never get anywhere because people only come here to troll anyways.



As one of the people who made the effort to get up at the stupid time this was held at (for my timezone) I would hardly call the "town hall" meeting a major showing of the WH community. It was like 20 dudes from SSC + about another 20 dudes from other WH groups, majority of which live in c5/c6 space.

I think it is unfair to take a very small sample group (as you have in this example) and label that as the "wormhole community"

We (as in Sky Fighters) are a very vocal bunch both on comms and forums and I encourage all of our members to voice their opinions. I make no apologies for them calling it how they see it or if they have offended you or didn't agree with you.

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Winthorp
#34 - 2014-03-12 11:13:29 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
It's somewhat funny how big fights in null end up with news on how it's bringing the game new players, yet big fights in wormhole space are somewhow bad and unable to do the same... It might not be so visible, but it happens all the same. Those who are giving up on wormhole space after being evicted, are the people who aren't cut to live there so there's quite literally no loss.

And before someone calls me out as yet another forum alt, it's not. Was here when I was still in SSC, now in this NPC corp, and will be here no matter where I head to next. It's wspace or uninstall for me and I ain't going to do the latter anytime soon.



Borlag you will never be NPC to me, goodluck with your future endeavors.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-03-12 11:19:28 UTC
Tyrant Scorn wrote:
Sadly, wormholers can't have a constructive conversation, as soon as a not-so-popular idea is mentioned, people are grabbing pitchforks and torches. Most topics end in trolling after 2 or 3 pages and the ones that don't never get anywhere because people only come here to troll anyways.

why sohould we entertain as you put it 'not so popular' ideas?
by definition most people don't want 'not so popular' ideas.
do you know what 'not so popular' ideas that people like are called? 'popular' ideas.
shouting down bad/unpopular ideas is exactly what SHOULD be done when theyre brought up on the forums. if people didnt shout them down, CCP might actually listen to some of the garbage that gets posted.

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Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2014-03-12 13:39:48 UTC
In the past week we have rolled into/been in chain with/had been rolled into by tdsin, ssc, disavowed and more, and we killed a tower in a c6 thus evicting a corp that numbered 11 bears. I'm pretty sure that means w-space is far from dead. However, some weeks we roll into nothing and life may seem dull. Those are the days/weeks when you bear up and prepare for the non-dull weeks.

Also props to ssc for catching my papertar, it died a noble death.

tl;dr posts saying w-space is empty are about on the same level with wh-stabiliser threads.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2014-03-12 15:56:26 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Henry Cummings wrote:


That said, I have little experience with sub-c5 space, but it is my understanding their mechanics make evictions even less desirable when confronted with serious wormhole groups.


Two Step posted numbers when he was on the CSM that showed the amount of POSs getting removed in c2 space is almost identical to c5 space. The numbers also showed the average number of people on those POS kills to be very similar as well.

Obviously, just numbers doesn't tell the entire story but I found it to be rather striking.




Stuff like this makes me want to bring back whkills.info and do tons of stat tracking... but its work.... and I am a lazy bastard.
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-03-12 17:03:13 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Henry Cummings wrote:


That said, I have little experience with sub-c5 space, but it is my understanding their mechanics make evictions even less desirable when confronted with serious wormhole groups.


Two Step posted numbers when he was on the CSM that showed the amount of POSs getting removed in c2 space is almost identical to c5 space. The numbers also showed the average number of people on those POS kills to be very similar as well.

Obviously, just numbers doesn't tell the entire story but I found it to be rather striking.




Stuff like this makes me want to bring back whkills.info and do tons of stat tracking... but its work.... and I am a lazy bastard.

It was awesome while it existed.
M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Shadow Cartel
#39 - 2014-03-12 18:05:39 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
People are still evicting people?


There are still people to evict?

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Meytal
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-03-12 18:07:21 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Henry Cummings wrote:


That said, I have little experience with sub-c5 space, but it is my understanding their mechanics make evictions even less desirable when confronted with serious wormhole groups.


Two Step posted numbers when he was on the CSM that showed the amount of POSs getting removed in c2 space is almost identical to c5 space. The numbers also showed the average number of people on those POS kills to be very similar as well.

Obviously, just numbers doesn't tell the entire story but I found it to be rather striking.




Stuff like this makes me want to bring back whkills.info and do tons of stat tracking... but its work.... and I am a lazy bastard.

It was awesome while it existed.

This, many times over.
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