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Lutya Seer
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#1 - 2014-03-10 18:12:03 UTC
I'm looking to put together a fitting for semi-AFK ratting using drones and remote repairing them.

I'm also trying to get the best omnitank that I can, preferrably enough for L4 missions.

I am willing to go with the following implants to make the fit work best:

  • Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1
  • ...
  • ...
  • Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2
  • ...
  • Inherent Implants 'Squire' Energy Systems Operation EO-604
  • ...
  • Inherent Implants 'Squire' Energy Management EM-804
  • Inherent Implants 'Noble' Repair Proficiency RP-904
  • Imperial Navy Modified 'Noble' Implant


I am willing to spend up to around 1bil on the modules but not more.

I am thinking a Dominix is my best option. I am not sure how to best achieve an omnitank. I was thinking that the Reactive Armor Hardener would be perfect for optimizing resists from mission to mission. Here's the fitting I came up with:

[Dominix, AFK Armor Tank]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Centus A-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Reactive Armor Hardener

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script

Micro Remote Shield Booster II
Micro Remote Shield Booster II
Micro Remote Shield Booster II
Micro Remote Shield Booster II
Micro Remote Shield Booster II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Garde II x5

I can fit Small Remote Shield Boosters or Small Remote Armor Repairers if needed to keep the drones alive, but I'd have to lose damage.

Has anyone tried this before? Does this look like it would work?
Salvos Rhoska
#2 - 2014-03-10 19:26:27 UTC
You have some balls asking this in public...

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Chad Wylder
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#3 - 2014-03-10 19:28:54 UTC
You're considering AFK missioning in a 1.5b ship with around 550m in implants? And said ship has 60k EHP and barely cap-stable at all V skills with said implants?

Sounds like a good plan to me. Just make sure you list the character running these missions if it's different from Lutya Seer so people can offer in-game er... "help."
Lantro
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-03-10 19:45:56 UTC
Not sure what you call (semi) AFK. At least for L4 I suggest you don't try it with this setup.

Dominix - because of the traits is dedicated to range. Stuff pops without problems long before it gets in range. Use mainly Wardens and keep some Garde and Lights in the bay. Tanking is pretty easy on those ranges, only things that hurt are Guristas and Mordus. Cheap 3 Slot T2 tank is by far enough here. Replace the Shield Boosters with a total of 3 or maybe 4 Drone Links and use Range Scripts, don't forget to put at least one Civilian Blaster on it to aggro stuff, a MJD to get distance, a Sensor Booster and replace the cap rigs with targeting range rigs so you can aggro stuff at around 200 km.

If you want to fit a sick tank on a droneboat go for a Rattlesnake, can even passive tank like hell without expensive modules but is not the right thing for semi AFK imho.

Why do you need and omnitank? Put all the stuff you ever need in a medium container and a mobile depot in your cargohold...problem solved. And forget about those Navy Omnis, they are crap since the changes...simply compare them to cheap T2.
Lutya Seer
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#5 - 2014-03-10 20:05:23 UTC
Lantro wrote:
Not sure what you call (semi) AFK. At least for L4 I suggest you don't try it with this setup.

Dominix - because of the traits is dedicated to range. Stuff pops without problems long before it gets in range. Use mainly Wardens and keep some Garde and Lights in the bay. Tanking is pretty easy on those ranges, only things that hurt are Guristas and Mordus. Cheap 3 Slot T2 tank is by far enough here. Replace the Shield Boosters with a total of 3 or maybe 4 Drone Links and use Range Scripts, don't forget to put at least one Civilian Blaster on it to aggro stuff, a MJD to get distance, a Sensor Booster and replace the cap rigs with targeting range rigs so you can aggro stuff at around 200 km.

If you want to fit a sick tank on a droneboat go for a Rattlesnake, can even passive tank like hell without expensive modules but is not the right thing for semi AFK imho.

Why do you need and omnitank? Put all the stuff you ever need in a medium container and a mobile depot in your cargohold...problem solved. And forget about those Navy Omnis, they are crap since the changes...simply compare them to cheap T2.


By semi-AFK I mean warp into a pocket, deploy sentries, start remote repairing them, then attack NPCs and go AFK. Come back to a cleared pocket (hopefully).

So you're recommending a sniper fit for AFK pocket clearing? Will my drones attack NPCs who are not in range to attack me? You're saying warp in, MJD away, aggro each pocket then let my drones pick targets? If they fail to kill frigates before they close the distance then they're pretty much guaranteed to die while I'm AFK. Will they pick the frigates first?

My goal with the Garde/Dominix fitting was to get as much tracking as possible (as far as sentry drones go) so they don't get stuck on fast moving ships for too long.

The point of the omnitank is to spend as little time as possible not AFK. I don't want to have to look up each mission on eve-survival and worry about mixed damage types like missions with two types of rats. I know that only takes a minute to do but it's a minute I want to save in this case.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2014-03-10 20:08:05 UTC
The reppers will not be enough for a level 4.

I use a large shield transporter and a large armor repper on my Rattlesnake, and it isn't unusual for me to be forced to return the drones to the bay.

In my experience, typically NPC will focus on one or two drones.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2014-03-11 07:03:53 UTC
I believe there is mention of another hit against afk drones (by way of rat ai buff) mentioned in the release notes for 1.3 today. So afk missioning will (likely) be one step closer to impossible come tomorrow.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-03-11 07:33:19 UTC
I can help you
where do you usualy mission run ?

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Johnnyan
Johnnyan Inc.
#9 - 2014-03-11 09:07:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnnyan
Froggy Storm wrote:
I believe there is mention of another hit against afk drones (by way of rat ai buff) mentioned in the release notes for 1.3 today. So afk missioning will (likely) be one step closer to impossible come tomorrow.

Now if they would only boost the drone AI, that would be something. I didnt play the game for about 3 years, drones were ******** then, still ******** now.

LE: Wow, I cant even call them r e t a r d e d.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-03-11 10:40:04 UTC
Luwc wrote:
I can help you
where do you usualy mission run ?


Nice try, very subtle Big smile
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-03-11 11:39:04 UTC
Note the Omni changes have effected Garde the most and Bouncers the least.

Dominix/Ishtar Garde II no longer shoot out to 90km with crazy tracking.

A better Domi setup is use Bouncers and target from 130km .
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#12 - 2014-03-11 13:09:10 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Note the Omni changes have effected Garde the most and Bouncers the least.

Dominix/Ishtar Garde II no longer shoot out to 90km with crazy tracking.

A better Domi setup is use Bouncers and target from 130km .


I mission in a Domi and I will tell you that these changes have made it more challenging, especially when tracking frigates which would require you to change the Omnidirectional scripts from range to tracking. You might end up coming back to a wreck after your sentries have spent all their time trying to hit one frigate and failing. Also they will pop your drones if you are not careful.
Boomhaur
#13 - 2014-03-11 13:13:04 UTC
They made some changes to how rats react to drones in mission so it be quite a bit harder to AFK in missions now. You may actually better off either AFKing lv3's for pitiful cash or using a missile boat for it's FoF missiles and coming back every few minutes to hit F1 again to launch your missiles again.

In the distant past I was known to AFK missions occasionally (years ago). Did this in a Drake, Nighthawk, Gila. None of them were particularly good at making money that way and was more of a way to make a slow steady amount of isk while I was doing market orders or watching a movie. If you plan to make back enough cash to cover the cost of that expensive domi, just walk away now 1 slip up and you can kiss all your progress for a very long time good bye.

Name of the game to AFKing is having enough tank to actually live, unfortunately that doesn't go so well with being able to do more DPS than a wet paper towel. So drop the idea of having damage mods and swap them for more tank your afk anyway you should just worry about having enough DPS to break their tanks not speed.. Once your done with that make your ship cheaper to fit so it's not as painful to lose so ditch the faction/deadspace gear.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#14 - 2014-03-11 13:16:43 UTC
I still always figure my drones will do something stupid, such as not aggro or not shoot at frigates until they get close. Even in the days when dual rep domis were standard, i always managed my drones. If i tried to afk my drones while ratting, I would just end up being idle for minutes at a time due to npcs not being in range to aggro.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#15 - 2014-03-11 16:19:28 UTC
The problem with this is that sentries do not have the high resists to make remote repping them work.
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#16 - 2014-03-11 16:37:17 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
The problem with this is that sentries do not have the high resists to make remote repping them work.

Very good point also shield regeneration for sentry drones are longer I believe:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4115897
Kyperion
#17 - 2014-03-11 17:30:17 UTC
Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Note the Omni changes have effected Garde the most and Bouncers the least.

Dominix/Ishtar Garde II no longer shoot out to 90km with crazy tracking.

A better Domi setup is use Bouncers and target from 130km .


I mission in a Domi and I will tell you that these changes have made it more challenging, especially when tracking frigates which would require you to change the Omnidirectional scripts from range to tracking. You might end up coming back to a wreck after your sentries have spent all their time trying to hit one frigate and failing. Also they will pop your drones if you are not careful.


I think I must have accidently made one of the best decisions ever in my eve career by going for an ishtar.

MWD to 130-140ish km, Cycle a gatling laser through targets, release bouncers

....Most annoying thing to me is the max of 7 targets

Bouncers will usually chew through the Frigs/Cruisers faster than I can target and keep their DPS away from BS

To the O.P. .... AFK is situational, and almost always better done at range. You can tell in a mission when your ok to go AFK for a few, but never go out of sound range of your 'puter.

As I get better I think I'm gonna end up dropping the tank for the ability to target/engage further.... bouncers can already hit to 134 km consistently with no fall off scripts, add another sensor booster and an omni with a range bonus with T2 Drone links and I think I could push 657 dps to approaching 200 Kilometers. And I can get to that range in about 60 seconds.


Did I mention I love the Ishtar?
Lutya Seer
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#18 - 2014-03-11 20:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lutya Seer
It seems I will have to do some testing with the drone aggro.

In my experience I never had a sentry get aggro from more than a 1-2 drones at a time but if it's going to be much worse than that then I might have to adjust my fitting for L3 missions.

With L3 missions I should be able to lower my tank and/or DPS and increase capacitor to keep sentries up, maybe even stick to deploying only 4 sentries at a time if needed. The Ishtar would be a good candidate for this because it needs very little tank itself (speed+sig tank) and it only has 4 high slots for repping 4 drones at a time.

I'm not trying to do AFK things while missioning, I'm trying to do missions while working from home! So anything that requires more than like 5% of my time attention span wise is not good.

L3 payout is better than no payout.
Lutya Seer
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#19 - 2014-03-11 20:53:42 UTC
[Ishtar, AFK L3 Missions]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Damage Control II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script

Medium Remote Armor Repairer II
Medium Remote Armor Repairer II
Medium Remote Armor Repairer II
Medium Remote Armor Repairer II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Garde II x4


I wonder if the Gardes above could track all the L3 frigates? They are the highest tracking sentry, add the Ishtar bonus and the tracking scripts and I'd like to think they'd do OK.

Only problem is I have no way to test the aforementioned fitting before spending ~2 months training it.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-03-11 23:51:19 UTC
tbh afk missioning is dead and good riddance. You would probably even make more money afk mining these days due to how slow it would go, and if a single frig starts orbiting then the gardes will have trouble and if it is an elite frig.. good luck.
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