EVE New Citizens Q&A

Can anyone tell me if there is a way to train skills without logging into the game or making a training plan for more than a day or two?

Running missions does not really interest me. The thing that I really want to do is small gang and solo pvp, so for me that means FW or Piracy.

Faction Warfare is out for at least 20 days because that is the soonest I can fly a ship and load the fittings that a ship on battleclinic tells me.

Piracy wont work right away either. I spoke to a wellknown and succesful pirate player and he recommended that it would take at least 30 days. When I play around with evemon it tells me even longer based on the ships he has recommended and the loadouts that Battleclinic recommends.

I have therefore decided to quit playing for the next 20 days while I train the minimum skills I need for a battleclinic loadout. Is there a way to train skills without logging in? Or will I have to log into the game to train the skills?

Thank you in advance

Your well known and successful pirate is a moron, ask somebody who goes outside of Jita undock humping range.

In defense of the pirate who told me 30 days, that was just what he recommended to be the type of pirate he is. He also suggested other ways to get into pvp (Brave Newbies etc.). For personal reasons I chose not to go that route because I am more interested in small gang and solo pvp. So for the record he gave me many options.

I want a combat and pvp focused playstyle and I am willing to be patient to achieve it. That is why I considered not playing during the time that I learn the skills to fly the ships he, and battleclinic fits suggested for me.

If there is however other ships and loadouts that I can use from the start then I will be happy to rather go that route. I just dont want to go grind missions for a month while I train my skills. I would much rather do something like FW right from the start.

Do you know how to use d-scan to find people in space?
Do you know how to avoid getting ganked at first lowsec belt you will warp to?
Do you know and understand aggro mechanics so you could use them to your advantage?
Do you know how to fit ships properly?

I bet no so good luck to not dying to first person that knows all this and flies meta 0 fit.

Pvp is not about SP and fits, it is all about your knowledge and experience. And patience is not about being skill queue slave, it is all about accepting loses and learning from them. For hours and days and weeks and months, over and over again. Being patient offline will result with your shiny dream ship exploding within seconds after undocking.

Couple of thoughts:

FW and piracy don't have to be mutually exclusive. You can have negative sec status AND be in faction warfare. Some of your militia mates may get a little trigger happy; but it happens.

You CAN do faction warfare missions now (and capture plexes) to earn some PVP isk. The good news is; you'll find some pvp while you're doing those two activities.

Playing skillque online is the first step to quitting. Chances are good, if you want to go somewhere in EvE right now, you can do it.

Nullsec? Join a corp that accepts new players.
WH Space? Spend a day getting scanning skills.
HS? They will probably take you even if you have a history of Awoxing.
Lowsec? Fail fit a frigate, blow it up. Try again. Talk to the people that blow you up and get some advice.

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You fail to see how EVE isn't all about SP and fits like WoW and it's clones are.

Sure, they help, but they are far from the most important. Knowing what you are doing, that is what makes you a succesfull player or just another kill on someone's killboard.

As others have said, start with cheap t1 frigates, learning to wring the most out of a shitfit t1 will benefit you much more when you get to fly a well fitted t1/ t2 than sitting around waiting. If you wait, you're just an expensive, to you at least, killmail waiting to happen.

RE: Tau, sometimes even a terrible corp, like Goons (Grr™), will shower their newbies with frigates and other cheap ships at any given opportunity.

I´m not denying that you can ge fight in low skilled frigates. But Your posts about "go now it warks" are missing hte op´s question. It´s almost as bad a the nerf ganking crowd with the you need no skilpoints/hulls crowd!

The truth is: Yes you can go go out and have fights in a frigate hull from day one. However these fights are more or less the EvE equivalent of the duel funktion of other games. You will find other frigs to play with. But at least in lowsec that means they have to either be in a belt/complex for you to find or come to you sitting on those locations. So you get "consensual pvp" at this point in time.
Wich in itself is not bad. Frig fights in themselves can be fun and you definately need to get some piloting practice to test your interface layout and ship handling. Or get experience in general.

For Faction warfare you can stay in a frigate class ship a long time. Due to the complex structures it´s one of the most used classes in FW. However the amount of pirate/t2 frigs is huge. The moment you meet a competent pilot you need to have good skills to make your frigate work. The good new is that having acceptable frigate skills is not really a long train.


On piracy, especially lowsec piracy. You need a bigger hull. Baiting/hunting in a belt is all fine and exciting. But the really valuable traffic is most often found in transit between gates and stations. That badger full of loot is not coming to you in the top belt. That missioning Ishtar isn´t either. And your frigate certainly will not kill that skiff before his buddys show up....
So in short: for lowsec piracy you need a hull that can fight under sentry fire. And to pull that off you need the corresponding skills at a decent level.


So yeah, depending on what kind of piracy you want to do there is a skillpoint barrier. However it is still recommended to train your general piloting skills on small stuff untill you get there.

This is a horrible idea. Your first (unskilled) days are invaluable for learning the game mechanics and tactics you will later employ. Also in a decent group of players you can assist in pvp from day 1. Dunno who the successful pirate you spoke to was, but i disagree strongly with his advice. If you skip 20 days you will only be 20 days behind in ACTUAL SKILLS by the time you get the LESS VALUABLE skillbook skills.

A player with loads of game knowledge is more powerful than one with loads of SP in almost every situation. Older players regularly roll new young alts just to own higher SP characters with their 3 day olds just for laughs.

Concentrate on learning game mechanics and becoming comfortable flying ships from day 1. It doesn't matter what SP you build up during your break, you will die in flames because you have neglected to build up actual game knowledge.

Game knowledge = Better than SP.



This is not at all true.

This is only partially true. Yes, if you want to camp gates and stations in lowsec and kill people traveling through with valuable cargo, you need to tank the sentry guns. Of course, that is only one kind of piracy. It can be fairly lucrative if you are part of a gatecamping crew, but it isn't the most fun sort of piracy I can think of.

I mostly do highsec piracy, because there are more targets and they tend to have better stuff. You certainly don't need more than a few hours of training for many forms of highsec piracy, but let's assume for a moment that the OP is strictly interested in lowsec. There are lots of opportunities for low SP piracy in lowsec. You won't be looking at busy entry systems because of competition. You won't be looking at faction warfare space because it tends to be all pewpew and no piracy (yes, there is a difference.) For piracy you are looking for noncombatants who have nice stuff.

I tend to do my lowsec piracy in quiet lowsec islands in highsec regions. These types of places tend not to have much traffic from other pirates or PvPers, and local highsec residents often jump in to mine, run missions or do PI. Many of them are oblivious to local and dscan, and wouldn't notice combat probes if you left them out for an hour. By hunting in these places with a Slasher or something, you can often find valuable targets and get easy kills and ransoms. The action isn't as fast as say, suspect baiting in highsec, but a newbie can nonetheless be successful with minimal SP, and have way more fun than camping gates.