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CSM Campaign who are you voting for?

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Anslo
Scope Works
#141 - 2014-03-10 19:37:38 UTC
Feyd you representing highsec is like Ted Cruz being elected as democratic candidate for President of the U.S.

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#142 - 2014-03-10 19:42:14 UTC
..but at which point do you say adding an 8th nullsec rep to the existing 7 nullsec CMS's chorus adds any more net value?

Think diminishing returns on investment.

For example, that 8th null member is not going to be as intimately aware of the long string of negative-impacting nerfs to hisec, as lets say a Psychotic Monk who lives with them daily. Even if they are aware, they don't care...they are thinking about modular POS's or SOV grind instead...

Regional representation at least ensures no group gets dis-enfranchised, which I am sorry is what happens every fricken CSM election. 10 nullsec people get elected...overshadowing any and all sacrificial lambs centered on other interests.

Because lets be honest, the CSM is just hurdle one...actually getting CCP to then action stuff takes a strong and unified push, and what will that push be? nullsec agenda items. Again.

Meh.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#143 - 2014-03-10 19:52:40 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Because lets be honest, the CSM is just hurdle one...actually getting CCP to then action stuff takes a strong and unified push, and what will that push be? nullsec agenda items. Again.




While there have been positive changes for nullsec -

How has the ESS or the mobile syphon helped further the nullsec agenda? If anything these would **** off big and little power blocks alike.

Highsec: The wardec mechanics (with the option to surender), revamping the tutorials, Exploration UI improvements (scanning / probes). They've all helped newer players and to some extend bears.

Mobile tractor unit / mobile depot: You can't tell me (even after they fixed the drone exploit) that these didn't result in infinite amounts of tears for mission runners (and continues to do so)?

CCP has added tools that really benefit those that use them creatively. It seems to me they have done a good job of trying to preserve a multitude of play styles from Scamming, AWOX, NPC missioners/miners, High Sec War-Decers (while helping to make the wars escapable for the truly risk adverse), ganking, piracy, faction warfare, null bears, power blocks, etc.

No one in those groups got 'nothing.'

Do I want the majority of the CSM to be nullsec based players? No. But having them there hasn't resulted in the planned elimination of highsec NOR in making highsec perfectly safe.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#144 - 2014-03-10 19:55:05 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
..but at which point do you say adding an 8th nullsec rep to the existing 7 nullsec CMS's chorus adds any more net value?

Think diminishing returns on investment.


I'll try and explain this again:

It.

Doesn't.

Matter.


What's important is that each "nullsec" rep has a valid area of expertise to contribute; small ship PvP, industry, exploration, whatever.

Are you actually unable to understand that the CSM doesn't work on which sec area the reps come from, or merely unwilling to admit it?

Also, your question is particularly hilarious in that it's easily turned against your very own proposal:

"but at which point do you say adding an 8th hi-sec rep to the existing 7 hi-sec CMS's chorus adds any more net value?"

Can you answer that?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#145 - 2014-03-10 20:03:10 UTC
i have no idea who to vote for...

is there a matching website like last year?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Meta Reloaded
#146 - 2014-03-10 20:08:52 UTC
The Barleguet Bomber earns my vote.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#147 - 2014-03-10 20:11:05 UTC
Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
I'm voting for whichever CSM candidate promises to hunt down the DDoS attackers and remove their fingers from their hands in the slowest, most creative, and painful way imaginable. Flaying the skin on each finger and dripping salt or citrus until they beg to have it cut off sounds good. Kinda like what the GOT books described. If they can do that then they have my vote.Twisted



dude bamboo shoots dipped in kerosene and then inserted under the finger nail and lit on fire.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#148 - 2014-03-10 20:13:22 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
i have no idea who to vote for...

is there a matching website like last year?



Yes, I think the person that runs that site is still collecting questions from the different player segments.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#149 - 2014-03-10 20:17:14 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
i have no idea who to vote for...

is there a matching website like last year?



Yes, I think the person that runs that site is still collecting questions from the different player segments.


well that is awesome....

litterally thats going to decide who i vote for...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#150 - 2014-03-10 20:23:37 UTC
Malcanis[
Also, your question is particularly hilarious in that it's easily turned against your very own proposal:

"but at which point do you say adding an 8th hi-sec rep to the existing 7 hi-sec CMS's chorus [i wrote:
adds any more net value?[/i]"

Can you answer that?

Thats a good point. Have a cookie.

However...

If you do have a condition where stacking results, which way should it lean...where the population density supports it, or to the contrary? Stacking with population density is reasonable, the inverse not so much...

(Cookie retracted...)

Ultimately dude, how do you address the disenfranchisement of hisec residents like myself who see CSM after CSM stacked with nullsec interests, and only lip service paid to hisec issues -- while CCP attacks current hisec content creation? Who from nullsec is really going to fight against consensual-only-wardecs for example? Who will even go a step further and fitght to have existing wardec evasion holes plugged?

If he runs again, I will vote for Monk, but the bile that I am swallowing is knowing even if he does get elected this year, his voice will just get drowned out by the 10 nullsec voices calling for modular POS's, SOV tweaks, etc etc...

So why shouldn't I be 'meh' on the whole CSM thing? If CCP wants to address voter apathy, they need to deal with this issue I raise.

Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#151 - 2014-03-10 20:39:39 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
An actually pretty good and well thought out post.


I agree with some points in your post. However, your main purpose seems to be that every player in EvE (highsec) should be forced to play your way. I honestly find that hard to swallow.

While I have never dropped corp for a war-dec (and I've lost stupidly fit ships during said war-decs), I respect the need for a system that makes largely PVE groups viable. So, what you're telling me is you want HS to line up and fight you whether they want to or not? With all the grief mechanics available, corp theft, awox, suicide ganking, bumping, suspect baiting, MTU etc, it's not enough?

Wanting only your play style to be valid hardly feels like it's a nullsec CSM problem. The war-dec system is a useful tool for players that mouth off, or want to stir up some content, I also think it's rediculous to force someone into a style of play they don't enjoy in a game they are paying for. i.e. I can haul in an NPC/player corp - and I can mitigate risk - and still get ganked, but there at least is a risk/reward ratio weighted into it. Instead of - all industrialists can be engaged at will because I paid some isk to do it their playstyle be damned.

Anyway, stop thread jacking this and lets talk about the individual candidates a bit, yeah?

Has everyone that's running announced that they are running yet? Any thread links?

Also this is the person that's running the vote/match website - I found one of the threads. I suggest you give input before it is finalized:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326319&find=unread
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2014-03-10 20:44:46 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
even if he does get elected this year, his voice will just get drowned out by the 10 nullsec voices calling for modular POS's, SOV tweaks, etc etc...

it's like you're posting with your fingers in your ears

Noxisia Arkana wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
An actually pretty good and well thought out post.


I agree with some points in your post. However, your main purpose seems to be that every player in EvE (highsec) should be forced to play your way.

help, the thread doesn't stop from getting worse
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#153 - 2014-03-10 21:15:02 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Malcanis[
Also, your question is particularly hilarious in that it's easily turned against your very own proposal:

"but at which point do you say adding an 8th hi-sec rep to the existing 7 hi-sec CMS's chorus [i wrote:
adds any more net value?[/i]"

Can you answer that?

Thats a good point. Have a cookie.

However...

If you do have a condition where stacking results, which way should it lean...where the population density supports it, or to the contrary? Stacking with population density is reasonable, the inverse not so much...

(Cookie retracted...)

Ultimately dude, how do you address the disenfranchisement of hisec residents like myself who see CSM after CSM stacked with nullsec interests, and only lip service paid to hisec issues -- while CCP attacks current hisec content creation? Who from nullsec is really going to fight against consensual-only-wardecs for example? Who will even go a step further and fitght to have existing wardec evasion holes plugged?

If he runs again, I will vote for Monk, but the bile that I am swallowing is knowing even if he does get elected this year, his voice will just get drowned out by the 10 nullsec voices calling for modular POS's, SOV tweaks, etc etc...

So why shouldn't I be 'meh' on the whole CSM thing? If CCP wants to address voter apathy, they need to deal with this issue I raise.



Malcanis wrote:


Are you actually unable to understand that the CSM doesn't work on which sec area the reps come from, or merely unwilling to admit it?


At this stage I'm really starting to lean towards "unable" :/

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2014-03-10 21:44:37 UTC
I wanna vote for CCP Karkur or Punkturis

They get stuff done

The little things.....make huge differences
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#155 - 2014-03-11 01:23:48 UTC
One of these days someone should represent the scammers of Jita. While I don't condone scamming, they should still have a voice.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Sister Sufferance
State War Academy
Caldari State
#156 - 2014-03-11 02:31:00 UTC
I will vote the same way i vote in RL, i wont vote for the same reason, your vote dont matter
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#157 - 2014-03-11 02:35:29 UTC
Whomever pushes a "Re-INCARNA" agenda... WIS needs to rise from the dead like so many lost bodies from Hurricane Katrina, but without the smell of Decomp because it will take a thermonuclear fire to get that kind of stink out of that ratty little carpet in my CQ.

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )

stoicfaux
#158 - 2014-03-11 02:45:53 UTC
I'll bite, when are the next CSM elections?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#159 - 2014-03-11 03:26:28 UTC
If a CSM representative is hisec, lowsec, nullsec, pirate, carebear, indy, blobber, solo, up, down, strange, sideways, sex appeal or peppermint is 100% irrelevant.

What matters is if you think that the persons you vote for can work with CCP and help them bring us a better game.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#160 - 2014-03-11 06:07:01 UTC
In order, assuming they run. Some of them are quite unlikely to run but I'd like to see them do so:


Psychotic Monk
James 315
D400
St0ner Smurf
Erotica 1
Cannibal Kane

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